Here's the final update before the recital goes live tomorrow!

  1. rogerch β€” Flutter by rogerch
  2. Nightowl β€” Frankie and Johnnie
  3. Peyton β€” A Dream of Far Away (part two)
  4. Animisha β€” To a Wild Rose by Edward MacDowell
  5. keff β€” Summertime arr. by Brent Edstrom (From Porgy and Bess)
  6. iternabe β€” MalagueΓ±a arr. by Faber
  7. Sophia + Special Guest Star β€” Just a "Good Old Tune" by Willard A. Palmer
  8. rach3master β€” Call of Silence: Attack on Titan OST by Hiroyuki Sawano
  9. plop_symphony β€” A Hermit Crab Surfing by Akira Miyoshi
  10. Player1 β€” Legend of Madrid by Nancy Faber
  11. MarieJ β€” I Giorni by Ludovico Einaudi
  12. hebele β€” Minuet in G by Christian Petzold
  13. Pathbreaker β€” Op. 116 No. 6, Intermezzo in E major by Brahms
  14. Calavera β€” Antipyretic by Hitoshi Sakimoto
  15. WieWaldi β€” Frisco Blues by Christian Fuchs
  16. Sam β€” Schumann op 15-6 - "An Important Event" from the Scenes from Childhood
  17. SalmonJack β€” Just Mist by SalmonJack
  18. Rob β€” Pembrokeshire Promise by Rob
  19. BicBic β€” Mazurka Op.6 No.2 by Chopin
  20. Sgisela β€” Danza de los ñÑñigos by Ernesto Lecuona
  21. Gooseberry β€” Nights in White Satin by The Moody Blues
  22. bSharp β€” Open Arms by Journey (arr. by Dan Coates)
  23. Greta99 β€” Berceuse, Op. 23 No. 1 by Mel Bonis

It's going to be a lovely recital! πŸ’

I'm still working on my own submission, but I'll get it done. 🐒

I'll aim to publish the recital tomorrow morning before piano lessons!

I was messaging with @ShiroKuro and I said, aside from not having anything ready to share right now, that I don't want to be the person who posts a video and then doesn't take the time to listen and comment to everyone else. She said (hope you don't mind me quoting you, SK): "as I recall, this was discussed at PW many years ago, and at the time the consensus was, it's better to submit even if you can't listen/comment on everyone."

Any thoughts? @navindra I would especially like to hear what you think since you're doing the bulk of the work to manage the recitals! And, whether I join or not, I love that the recitals exist and I think it's a wonderful thing πŸ™‚

    twocats Another person who might comment on this is @Sam btw, since I'm sure he was part of those conversations at PW.
    Obviously PT doesn't have to take the same approach at PW, but it could be helpful to know what the considerations were. My memory is that people were ok with the idea that some recital participants wouldn't listen to all the other participants.

    @Sam am I remembering wrong?

      twocats I don't want to be the person who posts a video and then doesn't take the time to listen and comment to everyone else. She said (hope you don't mind me quoting you, SK): "as I recall, this was discussed at PW many years ago, and at the time the consensus was, it's better to submit even if you can't listen/comment on everyone."

      I agree with SK!

      Submitting a performance is a significant contribution all by itself already and I don't think anyone should feel like that obligates them any further. Sure, feedback is nice and motivating in general, but it's completely optional. Everyone can contribute by listening and commenting at their discretion.

      Else, just enjoy!

      For me personally, the recitals have been very motivating and it has definitely been a net positive for me to participate, listen, and learn from others as well. I definitely find huge amounts of inspiration from folks here in more ways than one.

      Do what's fun, what's motivating, or what works for you. PT is here to support the community. πŸ™‚

        navindra thank you, that was a very thoughtful and inspiring response! I won't overthink it then πŸ™‚

        navindra Do what's fun, what's motivating, or what works for you. PT is here to support the community. πŸ™‚

        ❀️

        twocats ShiroKuro

        As I always said at PW, there are no recital police. No one wanted the job of policing them anyway. Lots of people over the years just showed up for the recitals and never posted or commented. No one kept track of them or cared if they were not commenting. That's fine.

        Part of the value of the recitals is hearing other people play and learning to listen critically. Maybe someone will hear something that you play and want to play it someday. Maybe someone will learn something by listening to your performance and making decisions about what they like and don't like. Maybe you will inspire someone! There is also the value of keeping the recitals going. If you have time to record and submit that is great, since it boosts everyone else and helps keep the recitals alive.

        And the biggest value of the recitals is the discipline required to learn something, polish it, and go through the trauma of recording, knowing that someone is going to listen. That is a value you get without making any comments.

        I just did my 65th quarterly recital at PW - you would think I would be a better player than I am...

          Sam @twocats Just wanted to add a +1 to Sam’s response.

          I will add β€” I do listen to all the recital pieces. I try to respond, but I don’t always get to everyone. My life right now is a little crazy and there’s a lot that feels overwhelming. I do appreciate everyone who comments, but I also more than understand that not everyone will be able to comment, and I just appreciate whatever level of participation anyone is able to bring to the table. I hope that others feel similarly about my participation.

          I do enjoy hearing everyone β€” from beginners to semi-pros and full professionals.

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            Sam And the biggest value of the recitals is the discipline required to learn something, polish it, and go through the trauma of recording, knowing that someone is going to listen. That is a value you get without making any comments.

            Thank you for your insights, especially this one. Trauma is very accurate!

            I am very happy with this discussion, because, even when it was clear for me at PW that no comments were required, I still felt many times that I should at least comment those who commented me.
            The problem for me with commenting is that unless I see the notes and listen to several people playing that same piece, I cannot come up with any good comments - except when a piece really captures my heart. And that is not very often the case.
            But just like Sgisela, I do listen to all the pieces, and I enjoy listening! So thank you all of you who submitted. 😍

            *
            ... feeling like the pianist on the Titanic ...

              Animisha There is no need to make profound comments. I pay professionals to tell me how bad I play, so I don't want, or need, critical comments from my peers. I am just happy if someone listens and says "thanks for playing!".

                Sam I pay professionals to tell me how bad I play

                OMG this comment made my morning! 🀣🀣🀣
                It’s so true though!!

                I don't want, or need, critical comments from my peers.

                This was always my feeling at PW so I was happy we when implemented the thing where you state the kind of comments you want. Which we’re now doing here as well, of course.

                I have a teacher who knows where I’m at, what I’m good at, what I struggle with. And who knows the best of my playing as well as the worse. But one time at PW someone made a comment about one of my pieces that, to me, sounded like they thought I didn’t know some detail about how to play. I did, in fact, know that thing they were telling me, but wasn’t able to do it in the recording (red dot syndrome and all that). So rather than being helpful, the comment just made me feel frustrated and bad.

                I also always wanted to treat the recitals as a recital, not as a piano lesson. So if someone liked the piece, liked my playing etc., then I would love to know that. But feedback? No, thank you, that’s what I pay my teacher for.

                For those who do treat the recitals more like a piano lesson, great, I have no problem with that. So that’s why specifying the kind of comments we each want works so well.

                5 days later
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                twocats I don't want to be the person who posts a video and then doesn't take the time to listen and comment to everyone else.

                You are already not that person! You give support and feedback to so many people.

                I've said in the past that I don't care much for posters who like to receive attention but never give it. My strong-ish emotions stem partly from my time as a mod on r/piano, where we had to moderate many Youtube pianists trying to promote their channels. So they would contribute their music to the forum, but not contribute to conversations (other than about themselves). And of course the conversations are what makes forums nice to visit!

                Speaking as a regular person and not a mod, the things I like to see recital participants do are:

                • Comment on at least some of the other recital submissions. Not necessarily all.
                • Leave comments that make people glad that they participated in the recital. That may be in the form of compliments or in the form of helpful and appropriately sensitive feedback.

                Anyways I enjoy hearing you play, reading what you've written, and if occasionally you don't have time to contribute in the form of feedback to other recital participants, that's totally understandable.

                  rsl12 thank you!! ❀️

                  These are the stats for the February 2025 recital (#3 / #77):

                  28 PianoWorld total submissions
                  25 Piano|Tell total submissions
                  5 equal submissions in both forums
                  7 performers submitted different pieces in both forums
                  (48 different submissions in both forums)

                  a month later

                  navindra You may use the ABF template to specify the Comment Policy:

                  No Comments Please!
                  Polite Comments only: no suggestions for improvement please.
                  General Comments only: Polite, supportive, suggestions for improvement.
                  Critical Comments: Anything goes!

                  I have always been confused by "General Comments only: Polite, supportive, suggestions for improvement."

                  Is general comment the opposite of a specific comment? Then what is an example of a specific comment that people might not like?

                  Up until just now I interpreted the second part to mean "Polite [comments], supportive [comments], [and] suggestions for improvement." It didn't quite make sense, but I left it alone. I just now realized that it probably means "polite and supportive suggestions for improvement". And maybe "general comments" means "you can also make other kinds of comments that are not suggestions for improvement".

                  But if so, then I think it needs to be reworded in the template to be clearer. How about "Polite and supportive suggestions for improvement, but no criticism."

                  With a few more small edits:

                  You may use the template to specify the Comment Policy:

                  No Comments Please!
                  No suggestions for improvement please.
                  Polite and supportive suggestions for improvement, but no criticism.
                  Anything goes!

                    rsl12 I wrote that comment policy for the online recitals in the Adult Beginners Forum at Piano World. It was in response to some of the performers getting upset over what they perceived as unwanted critical comments. Before that we had no comment policy, so it was definitely an improvement. I always wanted to encourage participation as much as possible, with an emphasis on those people afraid of participating because of fear over what commenters would say.

                    Of course, PianoTell is free to develop its own comment policy if the one I came up with for PianoWorld is too confusing!

                      @rsl12 maybe it’s because I’m used to the comment options since they’ve been used at PW for so long, but I feel like they’re clear. Also, with your edits, you removed the parts before the colon, but I think those parts are crucial…

                      For example, with the second option (the one I always choose), if it just said β€œno suggestions for improvement,” we lose the sense of saying, comments are encouraged.

                      To me, the core is:

                      γ€€No Comments Please!
                      γ€€Polite Comments only
                      γ€€General Comments only
                      γ€€Critical Comments

                      Then the parts after each descriptor function as extra info. So if you think that extra info needs tweaking, I’m ok with that, but I would suggest we keep the descriptors out at the front. How about just adding β€œno criticism” to the third option? IOW:

                      γ€€No Comments Please!
                      γ€€Polite Comments only: no suggestions for improvement please.
                      γ€€General Comments only: Polite, supportive, suggestions for improvement, but no criticism.
                      γ€€Critical Comments: Anything goes!

                        ShiroKuro No Comments Please!
                        γ€€Polite Comments only
                        γ€€General Comments only
                        γ€€Critical Comments

                        I don't have the history with PW that you guys had, so in my mind, all comments should always be polite πŸ™‚ And personally I can't imagine not wanting any comment when you take the trouble to participate, though I appreciate not everybody thinks like me (thank goodness for that).

                        I confess, I'm extremely partial to rsl's suggestion. Or even, given that "be polite and supportive at all times" should be a core policy and thus a given:

                        No Comments Please!
                        No suggestions for improvement please.
                        Suggestions for improvement, but no criticism.
                        Anything goes!

                        Since everyone can post what they want anyway as a comment policy on their own pieces (it's not a drop down selection is what I'm trying to say), if someone wants to add something specific, they can do so anyway right?

                        That said, I'm okay with anything that gets decided. Just spouting some suggestions here πŸ™‚

                          Sophia all comments should always be polite

                          I definitely agree with this! That all comments will be polite should definitely be a given.

                          My only concern is that this:

                          No suggestions for improvement please

                          Doesn't give the impression that comments themselves are indeed welcome. Perhaps if it needs to be changed (and I'm not convinced that it does) it could be

                          Comments welcome, but no suggestions for improvement please.

                          Regarding this:

                          Since everyone can post what they want anyway as a comment policy on their own pieces (it's not a drop down selection is what I'm trying to say), if someone wants to add something specific, they can do so anyway right?

                          This is a good point, but the only reason it's not a drop down menu is because that functionality isn't available. I would suggest that people not alter these comment preferences, because it would get confusing for those responding to have to decipher different comment-requests and make sure there's no misunderstanding. When everyone selects from among the same four options, it reduces the likelihood of that.

                          So back to the articulation of the core options...

                          No Comments Please!
                          Polite Comments only
                          General Comments only
                          Critical Comments

                          I think you're right, @Sophia, the problem (or at least part of the problem) is that all comments should be polite... so I'm struggling with a good way to articulate the difference between options 2 and 3... (and by good, I mean clear and also concise)...

                          I guess I think maybe I would advocate for this set:

                          No comments please!
                          Comments welcome, but no suggestions for improvement please.
                          General comments only: supportive suggestions for improvement, but no criticism.
                          Critical comments: Anything goes!

                          What does everyone think about that?

                          If people think we need to keep "polite" in there, then this:

                          No comments please!
                          Polite comments welcome, but no suggestions for improvement please.
                          General comments only: polite and supportive suggestions for improvement, but no criticism.
                          Critical comments: Anything goes!