rogerch I participated in both the PW and PT recitals, and it was awkward. I and many others submitted the same piece to both. I wrote comments for all the recital pieces on PT. On PW I wrote comments for pieces that weren't on PT. I prioritized PT so I didn't get to PW for a couple of days, after I was done with PT.

I would prefer to have PW and PT recitals be at different times. I suggest having PT recitals in the months that PW does not have them: March, June, September, and December. This gives someone participating in both forums 12 recital opportunities per year, none of them overlapping.

I second this. And he came up with the exactly same dates as me because it seems obvious.

Only difference to Roger: I didn't feel the double submits to both forums to be that awkward at all...

Do we want to same have same or different dates than PianoWorld?

(👆this is the next question to be answered)

    Right, I remember a beautiful poll you once submitted in this forum. I don't know exactly what Navindra and Sam consider set in stone just yet and whatever they decide is perfectly fine with me, but, in my opinion the best way forward might be to create a few polls before making those decisions 😄

    I realize that whatever gets decided will not receive unanimous agreement, but at least we'll know what most participants would be happy with 😊

    Questions such as how often, what dates, themes or not and if yes, how many etc. Here is our chance to shape the future and make it our own. And it doesn't have to be decided once and for all either, there should always be room for future tweaking 🙂

    Rob navindra Hi Navindra,
    First off, thank you for all your hard work, putting this recital together.
    My submission, although it still shows up, has the heading: [deleted]
    I don't know why that happened?

    I think this isn't related to the recitals, but it actually has something to do with the notifications, I see it sometimes in other posts I've written.
    Try refreshing your browser and see if the "deleted" goes away, and let us know!

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        ShiroKuro Yes, refreshing did the trick. Thank you.🙂

          So as it happens, the “deleted” just appeared for me! And know I know why. It happens if you check on a post in notifications, where it says “so and so replied to your post” — the post you wrote thst is being replied to shows “deleted” instead of your name. A little weird. And as mentioned, refreshing returns it to normal. Also, if you enter the thread without going through notifications, it doesn’t happen.

          a month later

          I want to push this thread again, it is less than one month to the November recital opening. This are the stats from August quarterly:

          28 PianoWorld total submissions
          29 Piano|Tell total submissions
          11 equal submissions in both forums
          3 performers submitted different pieces in both forums
          (46 different submissions in both forums)

          I still think, it would be a good idea to run a different schedule than PianoWorld, because there are only 11(!) performers that did post the same piece in both forums. Actually many of us expected to see way more of these. And to submit the same in both forums can feel awkward.

          What do you think, should we keep running our schedule together with PianoWorld, or should we offset?
          My take (for now) is to leave it as it is for 2024, get new stats and re-think again.

          • keff replied to this.

            WieWaldi I am taking it one recital at a time without thinking about what may happen next year. Just hoping that I have something ready for November. I have a few recordings from past years I could submit if necessary.

                keff This is okay. But nevertheless I think we should talk about it. I see pros and cons for both solutions

                  I would prefer separate schedules for PW and PT recitals. PW doesn't have recitals in March, June, September, or December so let's have PT recitals during those months.

                  A December recital would be fun. If we have one I will submit a holiday piece!

                  The current options:

                  • Same Quarterly schedule as PW.
                  • New Quarterly schedule.
                  • Quadrimester schedule: December, April, August.
                  • Event or Holiday based schedule.

                  The PW Quarterly schedule is proven and allows participants to submit to both. This seems to have worked out, since we got 11 shared submissions. For folks who submitted pieces to both recitals, did the schedule help you, and would you continue to do so?

                  A new Quarterly schedule would align with at least one major holiday season. If ever's the time to switch, it would be to take advantage of the (optional) December fun. However, between PW and PT that would be 8 recitals, which seems a little excessive for anyone participating in both sites.

                  A quadrimester schedule allows for a more leisurely pace... which makes it easier for someone like me, but might rob others who are more productive.

                  Event or Holiday based schedule could be fun but might be unevenly spaced, which might complicate participation.

                  Out of all these options, only one is truly proven and has withstood the test of time. Changing the schedule is risky, what would be the motivating factors to change and how would we mitigate the risk of losing potential participants? (For example, we might open for submissions at the same time as PW but close a month later.)

                  Also, is now the right time to change strategies? We've had a grand total of 1 recital so far and we don't exactly have a rhythm going or a sense of how participation will continue.

                  The reality is that PT is still more in a support role to PW... there is no significant independent influx of participants.

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                    navindra A trimester schedule allows for a more leisurely pace...

                    I think you probably mean semester schedule?

                    navindra The reality is that PT is still more in a support role to PW... there is no significant independent influx of participants.

                    Wouldn't it be as well the reason to schedule PT recitals differently from PW, so as to gain more autonomy and maybe attract that independent influx? What do you think?

                          navindra The current options:
                          ...

                          • Trimester schedule.

                          Do you have already specific 3 months in mind for the trimester?
                          If we space them equally with a 4 month distance, one overlaps with PW-quarterly, one with PW-themed and one won't overlap.

                          • Event or Holiday based schedule.

                          I think this could be very confusing. Especially as this forum is not only used in the USA, but all over the world with different holidays and events.

                          navindra The PW Quarterly schedule is proven and allows participants to submit to both. This seems to have worked out, since we got 11 shared submissions.

                          On the other hand we have 18 submissions solely submitted here. 3 of them with different pieces in both forums and I am quite sure for those productive people, a different schedule would be a welcome bonus.

                          For 2024, I suggest to stick with the PW schedule and look at the stats again, and if we want to do a poll, wait for this.

                              Sgisela For a poll, I would like to wait until end of November. Then we have the stats of the next recital.

                                Sgisela Indeed, I'm also interested in hearing feedback from folks on how this recital went and preferences on options listed.

                                Gooseberry Yes, for option 3 I meant quadrimester or 3 recitals in a year... with the next one being in December. Corrected the original post now.

                                Where would the independent influx come from? PT is not discoverable... in fact quite a few people from PW joined for the recital.

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                                    10 days later

                                    navindra I submitted a different piece to both recitals, and planned to do that ahead of time. My PT piece was ready enough a little earlier and recorded earlier than my PW piece. I plan to continue submitting to recitals in both forums, regardless of what schedule PT is on. I would have a small preference for them not to be in the same month, but I also don't think it would affect my participation in either place, so I'm not sure my preference counts for much! E.g. if they are in the same month, it might be I record something in the month before for one of them, if I don't think I would have two things ready enough in the same month. So it really doesn't have much impact for me, personally.

                                    And I didn't realize the next one here is in November! My phone logged me out of PT and I couldn't remember my password so haven't been here for a while! Better get practicing and recording!

                                        BicBic And I didn't realize the next one here is in November!

                                        Oof, I didn't realize either! I think I'll have something ready, but I'm not sure.

                                            5 days later

                                            BicBic Thanks for the feedback! Overall, I do think for the long term we should move to a new schedule but we are not yet well-placed to change it.

                                            Happy to hear any additional thoughts/feedback as well!

                                            rsl12 Yeah! It comes by so quickly, I barely had time for a breather. 😃

                                            I'm thinking we go ahead with a November recital at least to keep the rhythm going without shaking things up just yet. Eventually I think I'd like to move to a schedule where we can have a December recital.

                                            It would be great to hear overall recital meta feedback from folks if you haven't had a chance to voice your opinion already. Consider it informal polling. 🙂

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                                                  navindra Pleased that a PT recital will take place in November. If you would like a recital in December, perhaps next year, suggest moving the quarterlies to March, June, Sept and December. No harm in being a month later than PW.

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