Today I went to a super casual playing event at someone's home, and on the drive over I imagined myself walking up onto a big stage and I got pretty bad anxiety just from the imagery! And then when I played my piece (not a difficult one) I was so thrown off by the bright lights and the unfamiliar piano that I played a whole bunch of wrong notes. I don't think think it was nerves from the crowd, just being in a totally different setting.

I was reminded of someone telling me that for dogs, learning how to sit at home is a different skill from learning how to sit outside, and if you're outside and it's noisy that's yet another skill. So, I guess I'm just like a dog. I think I'm going to start going to these monthly events because I need to get used to playing in front of people and on different pianos.

Any tips other than "just get out and play in front of people more"?

    Think positive thoughts before it is your turn to play. Don't think "This is going to be awful", but "I can do this". Stay hydrated - dry mouth is one of the symptoms of performance anxiety. As is forgetting to breathe, so take deep breaths.

    Sitting in the audience waiting for your turn is one of the hardest things to do. You can't focus on everyone else and their playing because your mind is going over and over your own problems, so if possible, focus on what other people are playing.

    If you are not a practiced public speaker, then do not talk before you play. It is common at these informal playdates to talk about your music first and then play, but you may find yourself worrying so much about what you are going to say that your performance goes badly. If you must talk, plan what you are going to say in advance.

    When you sit down at the piano, take the time to adjust the bench, your music (if you are using it), find the pedals, and just look at the keys. Many people have an almost out-of-body experience at a strange piano in front of an audience, and everything feels strange and in the wrong place. So take a few moments to settle down and take a deep breath.

    I wish I could say it gets better with exposure, but that is not my experience, and I have done hundreds of performances now, from formal recitals to piano playdates to just playing for one other person. But I have learned what works for me, and can recognize the symptoms of "Fight or Flight" and make an effort to get things under control.

    Sam

      Once I rented a room in a house that had a piano. The owner had told me that I could play the piano when she was out. Happily, I sat down and started to play. I couldn't play anymore! The piano sounded so strange, the lights were different, and my playing was riddled with mistakes, even though nobody heard me.
      So, exposure may not help you with performance anxiety, but, you will probably get used to playing on different pianos, and that is one less issue affecting your playing in public.

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      ... feeling like the pianist on the Titanic ...

        This is exactly why I joined a piano meetup group. It is so hard to play in front of others on an unfamiliar piano. Even a small group of very supportive fellow piano learners. My first couple times attending were so stressful, but it's slowly getting better.

          @twocats congratulations on doing it!

          After I write this response, I realized that it was quite long, so hereā€™s the tl;dr version:

          1. Anticipate ā€œstrange piano settingā€ nerves
          2. Adjust to the piano itself
          3. Play two pieces (if possible)
          4. Accept the nerves, donā€™t try to prevent them but just learn to live with them
          5. Understand what the fight or flight response is, what adrenaline is
          6. Use exercise to take the edge off of the adrenaline
          7. Let go of the desire to ā€œnot be nervousā€

          If these ideas interest you, read on!

          I have been working on performance nerves off and on for years, so maybe I can share some of what Iā€™ve learned.

          Anticipate ā€œstrange piano settingā€ nerves
          First, you do get better at quickly adjusting to the jolt of ā€œstrange piano setting.ā€ Even just articulating what throws you off can help. The bench is different, even if you adjusted it, it may not be the right height. Also things in your line of sight may be off. Before we moved (well, before the pandemic actually) I used to go to a regular piano at the home of some friends. They always had a table lamp directly on the music desk of their grand piano, at the far right side. I hated that, but after the first time (which really threw me), I knew it would be there and it bothered me less. Another big thing is whatā€™s in your peripheral vision. We are used to our home piano space, so we no longer notice the furniture, artwork on the wall etc. But in a new space, all that visual noise becomes mental noise thatā€™s distracting. Knowing that this happens can help, and you can also think about it while practicing, in advance of the performance.

          So in addition to @Sam ā€™s advice about sitting down and taking a minute to get settled in with the bench, pedals and sheet music, I also recommend looking around a bit and mentally making a note of whatā€™s in your line of sight, so that while youā€™re playing, youā€™re less distracted by it.

          Adjust to the piano itself
          Another thing is the piano itself. If possible, playing it before you actually perform is good. I like to play a scale across a few octaves, play some chords, use the damper pedal, feel the action, listen for any buzzes or creaks so I know theyā€™re there.

          **Play two pieces **
          But sometimes pre-playing is not an option. Partly in light of that, my personal preference when performing is to always play at least two pieces, with an easier one first. That does two things. First, obviously, it gives me a chance to get used to the piano, how it sounds and feels. But the other thing, the reason it helps me so much, is it really helps to relieve the pressure, that ā€œyou got one shot to get it rightā€ pressure. Knowing I have two pieces actually makes both pieces go better, for me anyway.

          **Accept the nerves **
          Another thing I have learned is that Iā€™m just not going to play at 100% of my ability, so I have to be ok with that. I practice ā€œplaying through,ā€ and I have a few goals for the performance, like ā€œdonā€™t stop, play through mistakes and donā€™t re-play.ā€ I assume that Iā€™m going to have some nerves, and probably shaky hands, and I choose to accept that rather than try to stop it. So I donā€™t think ā€œhow can I not be nervous, how can I prevent my hands from shaking?ā€ Instead, I think, ā€œhow can I do my best, and enjoy myself, despite being nervous, despite having shaky hands?ā€ I assume that Iā€™m going to have that jolt of nerves, and when it comes, my goal is just to accept it and ignore it. And no matter what, I want to start and finish with a smile.

          Understand what ā€œfight or flightā€ is
          Now, having said that, recognizing that Iā€™m going to get nervous and the goal in the moment is just to accept that, I do various things to try to mitigate the nerves. If you, @twocats , truly were just thrown by the strange environment and didnā€™t have actual performance nerves, this might not be relevant for you, but if you did have performance nerves, understanding the fight or flight response a little can also help. Well, actually, even if the only thing that threw you was the environment and the people there didnā€™t contribute to your nerves, knowing more about the flight or flight responses might still be relevant.

          The fight or flight response is all about adrenaline, so once the fight or flight response kicks on, itā€™s as much a physical thing as a mental thing. Once itā€™s triggered, deep breaths and that kind of thing can help calm it down, but it can be very hard to do that while also playing. For me, understanding that was really helpful, it let me forgive myself, if that makes sense. A surge of adrenaline in your body creates a physical reality, whether itā€™s shaky hands, shallow breathing, sweaty palms, cold arms, feeling of your mind going blank, whatever. All of those things are a response to the adrenaline surge, which is an age-old biological tool that the body keeps on reserve for when itā€™s being chased by a deadly wild animal.

          It also helps to remember that adrenaline is a hormone and a professional pianist once explained to me that hormones ebb and flow over the course of a day, and they are a depletable resource, which relates to performing in two ways. 1) during the performance, when people say they get less nervous as the performance goes on, thatā€™s partly because the adrenaline surges and then slowly drains away. In other words, this is different from calming yourself down. Understanding that helped me because it means that even if I donā€™t do anything to actively try to calm myself down, I will get calmer as the minutes tick by just because the adrenaline will drain away as my body realizes itā€™s not actually being chased by a bear. (This is also another reason for playing more than one piece.)

          Use exercise to take the edge off
          2) The other way it relates to performing is that if you can do something to deplete some of that adrenaline before the performance, you can blunt it, take the edge off of it. So the other piece of advice I got from that pianist was to try to exercise on the day of the performance, do something, maybe for 20 minutes, something aerobic that gets your heart rate up and your breathing up. She said this actually depletes some of your bodyā€™s ability to mobilize the fight or flight response (just for that day, it will be back the next day), and this is probably the reason behind the experience that people sometimes have of performing better when they were a little tired. My goal is always to get a little out of breath mid-morning or mid-afternoon on the day of a performance, that seems to be the key for me. When Iā€™ve done that, I feel a little less acutely nervous, and it seems like my hands donā€™t shake as badly.

          So, @twocats some of this may not be relevant for you, but maybe there are some helpful ideas here. I really enjoy playing for others, and with others, so I have worked on these details over the years, and I can tell you that it has made a huge difference for me.

          Let go of the desire to ā€œnot be nervousā€
          Lastly, Iā€™ll repeat what to me is the most important point: when you feel nervous, the single best thing to do is just forgive yourself and focus on the music. Let go of the desire to ā€œnot be nervousā€ and accept that begin nervous is part of it.
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            ShiroKuro Lastly, Iā€™ll repeat what to me is the most important point: when you feel nervous, the single best thing to do is just forgive yourself and focus on the music. Let go of the desire to ā€œnot be nervousā€ and accept that begin nervous is part of it.

            I don't do public performances, but this is something that has helped me a lot with lessons. Over time, I've come to accept that I'm going to be nervous and not play as well as I did at home. Accepting my nervousness has not made me a better player at my lesson, but it has made lesson days a lot less mentally taxing.
            One thing that always throws me at my lesson is how different the piano at my lesson sounds from my piano at home. I have at times stopped playing because I thought I was playing wrong notes. The sensation goes away quickly, but it is there every time I sit down at the piano and start playing. I usually have the opportunity for a couple of minute of warm-up and those couple of minutes are enough to get my ears adjusted. But I do have to adjust.

            twocats Today I went to a super casual playing event at someone's home, and on the drive over I imagined myself walking up onto a big stage and I got pretty bad anxiety just from the imagery! And then when I played my piece (not a difficult one) I was so thrown off by the bright lights and the unfamiliar piano that I played a whole bunch of wrong notes. I don't think think it was nerves from the crowd, just being in a totally different setting.

            If you tell yourself not to think about pink elephants, of course all you can do is think about pink elephants. So suggesting that you not think about walking onto a big stage is not very helpful. But perhaps you can work on substituting some other, less anxious imagery. Maybe envision your own piano room, or previous occasions when you've played in front of others. Imagine the piano sounding different, but playing through and getting satisfaction from playing for others. As I mentioned above, I don't perform in public, so take what I say with that in mind!

              twocats just get out and play in front of people more

              Truth be told, that's basically it. There is a reason why theatre companies have dress rehearsals where they try to emulate the real thing as closely as possible. We're all dogs šŸ˜ƒ But that's not helpful, I know.

              I don't have any helpful tips to cope with the different environment (lights, other piano etc), and I know you said the people don't bother you all that much. But here's hopefully a helpful tip for people who do fear the crowds: humanize your audience. Don't just think of them as a sea of faceless monsters waiting to laugh maniacally at every one of your mistakes, but think of them as your friends, people who are rooting for you to do well. If you can, look at individuals (not too long, that'll get the person uncomfortable), but just briefly look them straight in the eyes (people love interaction and to get acknowledged) and then imagine a brief detail about them. Such as:

              That man is twitching his nose, probably because he is trying not to sneeze while the person before me is playing, that's so considerate of him! (then you can give him a playful wink) Or that woman looks a bit sleepy, I wonder if she has insomnia like me/my spouse/my friend. (you might even be able to provide a friendly smile) Or even oh boy, that dress makes her look like a blimp! (try not to giggle).

              People visit recitals to have a good time, literally no one is there to hope for a mistake to happen... and if (when) that happens anyway, they all feel bad for you. And if you manage to laugh/smile/shake it off, they'll be relieved with you - because if it didn't bother you, it won't bother them. Being uptight rubs off, and it makes people feel uncomfortable. But the good news is that feeling relaxed rubs off too, so if you can pull that off, you're looking at a sea of tranquility. That's why most entertainers learn to mask their mistakes with a quick joke at their own expense šŸ˜ƒ

                Josephine Anxiety makes me feel rushed, and when I force myself to slow down and focus on my senses, what do I see, hear, feel, smell, I get more relaxed.

                This sounds like meditation! My husband keeps saying that it would be good for me.

                Sam I wish I could say it gets better with exposure, but that is not my experience, and I have done hundreds of performances now

                Thank you for all of your comments. Ahhhhh I don't like to read this part though! I am hoping that it does in fact get a little better with experience. At the beginning when I started my journal and recording myself, even the act of pushing the record button on my iPad would make me feel like someone was watching and I would get nervous. But I no longer feel that way.

                Animisha So, exposure may not help you with performance anxiety, but, you will probably get used to playing on different pianos, and that is one less issue affecting your playing in public.

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                pianocat This is exactly why I joined a piano meetup group. It is so hard to play in front of others on an unfamiliar piano. Even a small group of very supportive fellow piano learners.

                Yes!

                ShiroKuro some of this may not be relevant for you, but maybe there are some helpful ideas here.

                This is very helpful and I have read some of it before from your posts but didn't remember about it. The exercise and adrenaline part is super interesting to me! In this case it's such a low-key, non-judgemental environment (casual meetup type thing, not a recital) that I think the audience aspect doesn't make me nervous. I feel like it doesn't matter if I bomb it (like I did, and it didn't matter). But there will be times when I need to perform and I care and want to play well.

                Unfortunately this particular group has a limit of about 5 minutes (unless you have a longer piece) so I can't usually play two pieces. I did notice that every time the theme repeated it got better!

                Stub If you tell yourself not to think about pink elephants, of course all you can do is think about pink elephants. So suggesting that you not think about walking onto a big stage is not very helpful.

                The funny thing is, it was at someone's home and not even a big stage! But I've been thinking about doing an amateur competition in a few years and it would be on an enormous stage. And I realized that even if I can play perfectly at home, I need to get out more and be able to perform. Plus, I'd have to dress up and my shoes would be different! Women are often expected to wear high heels but I think I'd better find a comfy (but wide) pair of ballet flats. Yesterday I was wearing clunky boots which definitely weren't great with my page turning pedal.

                Sophia I know you said the people don't bother you all that much

                It depends on the situation! If I feel like the outcome doesn't matter, then I can let go of the nerves. But if it's an actual performance I do get nerves. I think SK's advice to exercise for 20 minutes is a very good one!

                  twocats Iā€™m curious ā€” do you have different performance anxiety when you play chamber music, or do you feel things the same way? One of the people in my piano group plays a lot of chamber music and she says that chamber music is a great way to help reduce this anxiety somewhat because the attention isnā€™t all on you. But Iā€™m skeptical! I feel that if I were playing chamber music, Iā€™d just have the additional worry of messing it up for others, instead of just for myself.

                    Sgisela Iā€™m curious ā€” do you have different performance anxiety when you play chamber music, or do you feel things the same way?

                    I do also get anxiety in chamber music performance! This summer I missed an entrance, and then the violinist missed an entrance, and we were so good during the rehearsal. But it was the piano I'd been playing on all week, so that part wasn't an issue.

                    twocats I am hoping that it does in fact get a little better with experience.

                    In my experience, it does get better. It doesnā€™t go away or become a non-issue, but it absolutely gets better. And crucially, for me, I have been successful at implementing those techniques and getting to the point where I can do better and enjoy it more.

                    But just like other aspects of technique, it has to be maintained. At least for me anyway.

                    Sophia That man is twitching his nose, probably because he is trying not to sneeze while the person before me is playing, that's so considerate of him! (then you can give him a playful wink)

                    Not directed at your suggestion, Sophia, but when I read this an image popped into my head. I'm picturing being that man, waiting for my turn to perform, and seeing someone wink at me. šŸ¤£

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                    Hahaha! Yeah suppose he really HAD to sneeze and then figures oh drat... caught with my pants down - perhaps a vivid imagination is not always helpful šŸ˜‚

                    Edit: I am suddenly reminded of the time when we went to a live classical guitar performance. At some point the guitarist suddenly stopped playing, declared "oh <insert dirty word> I lost a nail", then he sauntered off the stage to fetch his bag and calmly glued it back on, right in front of us. Then without another word resumed the piece in front of a bored audience. There IS such a thing as being too relaxed.

                    Sophia Truth be told, that's basically it.

                    If you're good at visualization, keep trying to visualize you're in front of an audience when practicing. I've also thought of practicing performing with a "cough track" playing, or with pencil sounds on paper (this really gets on my nerves when my teacher writes while I'm playing and I can hear it constantly, like how the pencil starts to sound as soon as you mess up something tiny...)

                      ranjit If you're good at visualization, keep trying to visualize you're in front of an audience when practicing.

                      I always felt that if I could regularly and repeatedly experience playing through the shakes, I would learn to not be bothered by it a lot more quickly. But I have never been able to recreate the true "shakes" during practicing or in any non-performance situation. Still, I agree, visualizing is really helpful. I also try to remember the shakes and what they feel like so I won't be surprised when they occur.

                      I've also thought of practicing performing with a "cough track" playing, or with pencil sounds on paper (this really gets on my nerves when my teacher writes while I'm playing and I can hear it constantly, like how the pencil starts to sound as soon as you mess up something tiny...)

                      I can totally related! I am pretty sure my hearing sensitivity jumps up when I'm practicing, and the littlest noise is amplified in my brain!

                        Not the piano, but at age 23, when I first worked as a professional (principal) cellist in an opera, I was extremely nervous when I had to play a solo. Things didn't necessarily go well, and at those times I felt I didn't deserve the job. Over the years, the situation gradually improved to the point where, when I had to play the extremely difficult solo in the opera Tosca (almost nothing is happening, the stage is dark and static, no singing, and there is just a low murmuring of strings underneath - in other words, completely exposed), I managed without difficulty.
                        It was a long and sometimes uneven road to that point, though.
                        I remember speaking with another principal cellist (of the symphony orchestra in the same city), and he said that musicians who never have never had to play those kinds of solos really have no idea what it feels like, and that there is no substitute for just putting yourself in that position, well prepared, and hope for the best.
                        I think there's a lot of similarity between that and performing a solo on the piano with the exception that at least as a solo performer, no one else in the ensemble/company is relying on you!
                        So that's something positive.

                          ShiroKuro But I have never been able to recreate the true "shakes" during practicing or in any non-performance situation.

                          My heart starts pounding loud enough that it scares me sometimes. I haven't been able to replicate that. I have heard of one suggestion to run a few miles and then sit down at the piano and perform to try to mimic that feeling.

                            twocats I don't think think it was nerves from the crowd, just being in a totally different setting.

                            Yes!

                            Last summer at the Tonebase piano camp, I tried playing a couple of pieces in the recital. It was the first time I'd played for more than 3 people in 60+ years.

                            I had one rather egregious memory slip, out of which I eventually extracted myself. But the whole situation reminded me so much of what Josef Hofmann had to say about the reliability of memory.
                            https://www.beachbunnysoftware.com/music/JosefHofmann-DifferentPlaces.pdf


                            Make a joyful noise...
                            Jane - expert on nothing with opinions on everything.

                              ranjit I have heard of one suggestion to run a few miles and then sit down at the piano and perform to try to mimic that feeling.

                              Hmmm maybe Iā€™ll try that. We have a treadmill. And an exercise bikeā€¦

                              Jane But the whole situation reminded me so much of what Josef Hofmann had to say about the reliability of memory.

                              Someone suggested to me that I have my husband try to annoy me and distract me! While I don't think that would go well for our relationship, I think maybe I should shake things up, like play a loud and irritating TV show at the same time or something. It's interesting that Hofmann said that we memorize our surroundings, too. (We are in fact just like dogs!)

                              ranjit I've also thought of practicing performing with a "cough track" playing, or with pencil sounds on paper

                              It sounds like a variety of distractions could be beneficial!

                              pseudonym58 there is no substitute for just putting yourself in that position, well prepared, and hope for the best.
                              I think there's a lot of similarity between that and performing a solo on the piano with the exception that at least as a solo performer, no one else in the ensemble/company is relying on you!
                              So that's something positive.

                              It's good that you finally did find it easier! It must be terrifying to be paid to play and to be so stressed.

                              Every time someone asks if I'm a pro I laugh and say thankfully not, because the stress would probably kill me! In chamber music I don't want to let my ensemble down but we're all just amateurs. In the worst case if I bomb a solo piano thing the only impact is to my ego šŸ˜‰