brdwyguy

In the case of Kawai K series uprights, even the tonal style varies. I think that is less true of Kawai grands at least within the GX and SK series. The tonal style of Boston uprights also seemed more uniform, at least with the 126 and 132 models (much moreso than with the K-500 and K-800).

Robert Estrin demonstrated the tonal consistency of a Baldwin/Hamilton studio upright and Baldwin 7' grand in this video:

These pianos clearly have very different designs, but both were engineered to deliver Baldwin's tonal signature at the time.

Short of confirmation from Kawai, I have no way to verify this, but it currently is my speculative belief that Kawai designs the K-500 and ST-1 to have a little heavier action and warmer tone than the K-300 or K-800 have so that they will require less voicing and regulation maintenance in heavy use institutional settings.

The upshot of all of that is that pianos of different length have different scale designs. That the same woods, design and build methods are used may contribute to tonal consistency, but ultimately, I think if there is a consistency of tonal style across a product line, it is engineered in as a design goal.

    raagamuffin
    We tried uprights, though not that particular Kawai.

    If you can stretch your budget to consider a Kawai K-800 (some indeterminate number less than $18K, varying with negotiated price, say $17,500 for the sake of discussion, but could be less), it has the keystick length, fallboard style, music rack style, and sostenuto pedal found in a grand. Keysticks are longer than you will find in most small grands (closer to the key length of a 7' grand).

      sweelinck I know that,of course. That's why I used the word "basic" which IMO allows for higher spec features.

        Regarding uprights, I would audition Schimmel and Gotrian uprights. I felt they were better (action, sound, etc) than the lower tier grand piano offerings.

        I would also consider finding a reputable used piano seller (like Cunningham) and consider a -newer- used piano. There is a significant quality delta at your price point. E.g. used Yamaha CX vs a new Yamaha G.

        I found Larry Fine's "The Piano Book" very helpful when looking at pianos.

        After much debate, we purchased the Cunningham 5'. I didn't see a big difference between that and the 5'4. We replayed the Kawai GL20 and felt it was a bit brighter, so went back to it. My daughter didn't prefer an upright, due to staring into a black wood column (according to her), she'd rather stare at a blank wall 😉

        I'll update after delivery and debate with (in a friendly way , of course) @pianoloverus and @ShiroKuro if its aesthetic or not!
        I will say, pricing is very opaque in this industry, I think I may have overpaid (or paid exactly what I should have), its tough to tell.

          raagamuffin, Cunningham's are top of the line beginner pianos, perfect to start out on and to eventually trade up if need be in the future.

          Here is the page from Larry Fine's Piano Buyer Guide, in case you didn't see it:
          https://www.pianobuyer.com/copy-of-template-43

          Can't wait to see pictures and maybe even a video?
          brdwyguy

          raagamuffin wooo hoooo!!! Congratulations!!! I think you’ll be very happy with it!! I am super excited for you!!

          When do you take delivery?

            raagamuffin congratulations! I look forward to seeing the photos. It’s very exciting to get a new piano!

              @raagamuffin Congratulations! And in terms of the price you paid, unless money is very tight, I wouldn't worry about a couple of thousand dollars; you will have the piano for years!

              Thanks for all your wishes.
              I received the piano and it looks quite nice. Initially I was a bit concerned, the piano was sounding disjointed, notes slightly sharper or flatter in relation to each other. This apparently was temperature driven, since a few hours later, after acclimating, it sounded quite creamy in the mids and bell like in the tops (I'll get the bottom keys) with good relationships between notes.
              I wasn't expecting the sound to be so loud, that was a revelation. Interestingly its not so loud when one is sitting and playing it, it gets louder a few feet away.
              I have read that Cunningham has its own unique features from its manufacturing company, Hailun pianos, but I wasn't able to discern any differences visually inspecting the strings, layout of the frame etc. in relation to online pics of a Hailun piano.

              I have an issue with my C2-F2 keys, they have a weird (out of tune) ringing after press almost like a ghostly sustain. I assume it has to do with the dampener not stopping fully onto the strings after a key press. Also, there are 2 keys that sound a bit different, almost muted. Cunningham will be sending a piano tech to take a look.

              Overall, very impressed with a live breathing (heavy) wooden machine. Hopefully the small issues can be addressed easily and then on to playing 'Twinkle Twinkle Little Star'😀

                raagamuffin Cunningham will be sending a piano tech to take a look.

                You bought your piano new, right? It's totally normal for a new piano to have a sort of "settling in" period. Actually, anytime a piano is moved, whether it's new or used, it needs to adjust to the new climate and so on. Which is of course what you experienced with the temperature thing. Anyway, I'm sure the techs will help your piano get settled in and get rid of that ghostly sustain.

                May you have many years of happy playing! 🙂

                  raagamuffin congratulations on getting the piano! Just to reiterate ShiroKuro;a point, it’s very normal for pianos to have a period of adjustment when they move between locations. This is also a tricky time of year with weather swings — I wouldn’t be shocked if the tuning goes out as the weather fluctuates. This is a real difference between acoustic pianos and digital pianos — they will go out of tune. Also, since it is a new piano, don’t be shocked if it takes a couple years for the tuning to stabilize (you likely will want to tune it 3-4 times a year the first couple of years).

                    4 days later

                    raagamuffin the piano looks beautiful in that space and congratulations again! I hope your daughter (and the rest of your family) enjoys it for many years!

                    One not-so-little thing, though… If you’re using the long lid prop, it should fit into the other cup. If you use the long lid prop, it should fit into the cup that is farther away from the rim of the lid. If you place it in the cup closest to the rim (as in the photos) it is susceptible to slipping and other bad things. That lid cup is for the shorter lid prop.

                    Anyways, I just want to reiterate my congratulations!

                      @Sgisela thanks for that tip about the lid! Will be sure to tell my daughter also.
                      While it has a soft close lid, I'd be loath to take any chances.

                        raagamuffin that looks absolutely gorgeous!! Your furniture/interior style, color scheme and the shiny black piano go soooo well together!! And having the piano there by the doorway is just fine, it looks fine and it wouldn’t bother me to sit there and play. And more importantly, the way the sofa and chairs are arranged, the whole layout works really well together!

                        Congratulations!!

                          @Sgisela good catch on the lid, I was too taken in by the beauty of the room to notice! 😅

                          raagamuffin While it has a soft close lid, I'd be loath to take any chances.

                          I am pretty sure that the “soft close lid” is not the actual piano lid but the fallboard, the lid that covers the keyboard. A piano’s lid would be much too heavy

                          No, wait, I googled… there are actual slow close mechanisms for piano lids! I had no idea!! How cool is that!

                          Wow, I actually wish I had that on my piano! 😅 the lid is so heavy, I often think that I wouldn’t be able to open it all when when I get old(er) 😁

                          Ok, wait #2 I thought the slow close mechanism just prevents it from slamming down. It doesn’t make it easier to lift does? Or does it?

                              ShiroKuro

                              I took those pics of the doorway (and a panorama) to give you and @pianoloverus an idea of the geography so you can critique. My wife was (mildly) unhappy with the piano coming into that room, I told her, what's a furniture rearrangement when our daughter starts composing for the next 'Lord of the Rings' movie 😉

                              The soft close lid makes it easy to also open it in addition to closing softly.

                                  raagamuffin My wife was (mildly) unhappy with the piano coming into that room

                                  Well, of course I don’t know the “before” arrangement, but it looks really great now and nothing looks out of place, nor does it look crowded or “overstuffed” to me. 😊