ShiroKuro The second is a little more challenging, because it's hard not to feel disappointment when a performance doesn't go as well as you hoped. But I am work in progress, and these reminders are super helpful!!!

That was just your first public recital if I recall? I would like to remind you that you're very brave for putting yourself out there at all!

I see all of these to be tips for improving over many months and years, there's definitely no quick fix here. But it's a new year and feels like a great time to start something different 🙂

    twocats That was just your first public recital if I recall?

    Sadly, no. I have experience performing dating back to.... 2005 I believe 😅 I'm including various types of events ranging from piano parties, to formal "school" recitals where I played one piece, to "concert" type settings, such as one where I played a program with 5 pieces.

    However, the two performances I did in Nov. 2024 were my first times playing in public since 2020 -- the pandemic took away all my piano performing chances, and so I was definitely rusty.

    But I have always struggled with piano performance anxiety, that's why last fall I made a lot of effort to do performance-specific prep etc. I have no doubt it helped, but as I said, it's hard not to be disappointed when you didn't perform as well as you hoped.

    For me, and based on past experience, I think the single biggest factor at this point is having consistent opportunities to play publicly. Once or twice a year will not cut it, but having two performances two weeks apart in Nov. was quite good.

    We'll see how it goes, I don't have the kind of opportunities you do, but I'm working on it!

      ShiroKuro We'll see how it goes, I don't have the kind of opportunities you do, but I'm working on it!

      I know you were thinking about creating a meetup of some kind and I hope it works out!


      I feel like two big things I have to work on:

      • not stomping so loudly on the Bluetooth pedal
      • keeping my hand towel on the piano instead of on my lap -- I have a genetic condition that causes sweaty hands (or if the sweat isn't "on" it's excessively dry and slippery, which is arguably worse) and it's a source of comfort but I can't have it there during a performance and so I should put it on the piano at home. Even thinking about not having the towel on my lap makes me uncomfortable but it needs to be done!

      From what I understand, many performers rely on the beta blocker propanolol to keep calm and keep their hearts from racing. It is primarily a heart medication, but it also is used for essential tremor, and many doctors prescribe it for performance anxiety. I think it comes in a range of strengths from 10 mg to 80 mg. I'd recommend trying it at home before using it for a public performance.

        AaronSF I played with a violist who used beta blockers for performance anxiety! I think I'll try exercise to "burn off" the adrenaline first.

        @AaronSF yeah, a pharmaceutical solution is not one I'd consider. Especially given that I'm fine with public speaking and other situations. My problem with piano performance anxiety isn't medical.

        AaronSF Beta blockers do have side effects, and I would not recommend them to amateurs. I'm not even a fan of the fact that professionals take it, because I think it demonstrates our unhealthy obsession of getting all the notes correct in a performance setting.

          ranjit I just looked online and side effects include cold hands and feet! That's no good.

          I think some people take them because otherwise they would just fall apart from nervousness and it helps them to feel better. I can respect that but I don't think it's for me.

          To each his/her own. I only suggest propanolol because so many orchestral and solo performers use it regularly.

          twocats One word - practice. If you know a piece, well enough so you can play it almost without thinking about it, playing it for an audience should not be stressful. Also, bear in mind, that, depending on the type of audience, non-musicians vs skilled players, the average listener wouldn't notice a few minor flubs. And, most musicians will empathize with your anxiety. And, like someone else said, the more you perform, the more relaxed you'll be.

          Occasionally, when I'm asked to play something on the piano, I play a tune, or tunes, that I've been playing for years. So, any initial jitters are minimized by my confidence of familiarity with what I'm playing. One last thing...
          An easy piece played confidently will be more impressive than a difficult piece played timidly.

          a month later

          I played at a casual event today and I thought I was all good, but by the end I felt like I had been shaking inside the entire time. I may have had worse stage fright than last month! I guess I just need to keep going to these events and keep at it, because right now it's really not good.

            @twocats I’m sorry to hear this!! I have been experiencing, and trying to prevent, performance anxiety for years, so I truly sympathize.

            I am just starting to re-read the Inner Game of Music, which helped me a lot 20 years ago, after I had a massive “crash and burn” at a recital … But after years of not playing publicly (thanks, pandemic), I still struggle to keep the shakes at bay, so I’m reading it again now. I don’t know if I will still find it helpful but I’ll let you know as I get more into it.

            twocats I guess I just need to keep going to these events and keep at it

            To this, I would say, yes and no. And here’s why:

            Yes, in that playing in public in a variety of situations is a very important form of practice, and I don’t think we can get better at playing in public without playing in public a lot.

            But, here’s the “no” part of my answer. I don’t think just playing publicly a lot is sufficient for anyone who experiences performance anxiety. In the same way that we can’t “just practice” to become better pianists but need to learn strategic practice methods, I think we also have to figure out, and practice, ways of countering nerves in order to get better at playing publicly. And that’s where something like the Inner Game comes in…

            So my advice for you is to do some reading and maybe find some ‘tricks and tips” to implement when performing. Something like the Inner Game or the stuff on the BulletProof Musician website might be good places to start…

            But I will stop here because you didn’t really ask for advice 😅

              ShiroKuro I'm always up for tips and tricks! 😃

              Please share if you come across some good ones, I was going to put that book on hold at the library but they only have it in audiobook form.

                twocats I would not want to do a piano book like this as audio.

                I’ll let you know as I get into it if I recommend it or not 🙂

                When I played fairly lengthy 45+ minute recitals at my grandmother's 100th through 110th birthday parties, I always practiced on the piano beforehand. Of course not always possible but if you're willing to get there early it's a reasonable goal. At one recital I remember having a difficult time adjusting to the sound of a loud air conditioner. As a teenager I remember hearing some of the pianists practicing on the piano before the recital at meetings of the Plainfield Music Club.

                  pianoloverus it helps a little but I think I'd still get stage fright! I really thought I was mostly fine until I got up there, and the longer I played the worse the shakes got 🙁

                    twocats the longer I played the worse the shakes got

                    This is the worse! I’ve had this experience and it just feels awful. Did you only play one piece?

                    Whenever I perform, whether it’s a more formal recital or mini-concert like I did last November, or even just playing causally for friends, I try to make sure I’m playing at least two pieces (in a row), and I plan it so that the first one is a little easier. My preference is actually three pieces (or more) but sometimes there’s a time limit per performer…

                    Anyway, the reason for this is that “the shakes” is an adrenaline reaction, the body’s fight or flight reaction kicking in. So the reason our hands shake is not because we’re making them shake by something we’re consciously controlling, and this is why it’s also really hard to consciously make them stop shaking. The body’s fight or flight reaction is a big surge of hormones, a physical reaction in the body, and the shaky hands are just a symptom of that. It’s like when something happens that really startles you, your heart starts pounding like crazy. You can take some deep breaths or whatever, but you’re not really causing your heart to slow back down, it slows down over a few seconds or minutes as your flight or flight system realizes the danger has passed. But when performing, the fight or flight system is sort of tightly engaged because you know have you get through to the end of the piece.

                    So it’s very rare to be able to stop the shaky hands once the fight or flight system kicks in. But fight or flight, adrenaline, is also time limited. Your body only has so much adrenaline at its disposal. It’s most intense at the beginning but eventually mellows a bit. It’s like the body’s amount of adrenaline (hormone) kind of gets used up as time moves forward.

                    When you’re playing only one piece, you get the adrenaline surge but not the cool down.

                    But when you’re playing more than one piece, the first piece gets the full onslaught of adrenaline. Then, in between pieces, you put your hands in your lap, take a deep breath, and when you start the next piece, that adrenaline surge is a little bit tempered, a little bit less intense.

                    When I play two pieces, during the second piece my hands start to feel like they belong to me again. And when I play three pieces, I notice that the shaky hands are fully resolved by the third piece (if not before).

                    The other thing that helps me when I’m playing more than one piece is that the pressure is reduced because I know I know it’s not like I only have one chance to get it right. Obviously I only have “one chance” with each piece, but I know I’ll be playing more pieces so the pressure on each individual piece is reduced.

                    And I know from my own experience now that the shaky hands will start to mellow and eventually go away as I work through my program. And just knowing that makes it easier to ignore the shaky hands while they’re at their worst, because I know two things: 1) I can’t control the shaky hands, and 2) it’s time limited and it will be better when I start piece number 2.

                    The other thing I try to always do is get some physical exercise, some cardio, on a day when I’ll be performing. This is actually a tip I got from a professional pianist. She is the person who told me the stuff about fight or flight, and she said that you only have so much adrenaline in your body at anyone time, if you do some physical exertion, get your heart rate up, you use up some of that adrenaline and it’s not fully replenished until the next day (after sleep). By exercising on the day of a performance, you can sort of blunt the initial onslaught, the initial surge of adrenaline and that makes the shakes easier to control.

                    And again, because adrenaline is a physical reality, when it happens, when I get the shakes, I just try to accept it. It’s not my fault, and there’s nothing I can do in that moment to stop it. My only goal is to keep playing, knowing I’ll have another piece as well and when that’s do end piece comes, I’ll be calmer. And surprisingly, this helps a lot.

                    Sorry, this got quite long! You can tell I’ve thought about this a lot. 😅

                      ShiroKuro Did you only play one piece?

                      Yes, but it was 10 minutes (second movement of Dvořák quartet played with a recording). My anxiety didn't get better during that time! Last time the repeated theme improved each time it repeated but I don't know what happened this time. Also, the piano sounded really great from the audience but it's obviously older and a bit clapped out so it didn't feel good to play.

                      ShiroKuro The other thing I try to always do is get some physical exercise, some cardio, on a day when I’ll be performing. This is actually a tip I got from a professional pianist.

                      I remember this advice and I was super busy that day but next time I'm going to build it into my schedule and see if it helps!

                        twocats I was super busy that day

                        I wonder if you're able to rate your mental focus for that day or if you can compare how busy you were even in the days leading up to the performance. In addition to focus on your ideal physical state in preparation for performance, I find it helpful to focus on basic needs like good sleep and diet. Then try not to overwhelm your brain with other stuff if possible. It could be possible that you have relatively little ability to be present and adjust to the situation. Or less ability to get in a zen state of positivity. However that might be done. And finally, an ability to care less about the outcome sometimes helps.

                        Zimerman has some interesting words starting shortly after 29:15 here:

                        (Long version of a clip shared on PW)

                          twocats but it was 10 minutes (second movement of Dvořák quartet played with a recording). My anxiety didn't get better during that time!

                          Yep, even with a 10 minute piece, that isn't surprising. I think there's something that happens when you have two pieces, and you get even a 30 second break in between, it helps to reset the fight or flight response, let it calm down.

                          The longest piece I play right now is just over 7 minutes, so not quite that long, but I would try to put that the longer one second if possible.

                          You'll have to experiment and see what works for you. And keep us posted of course, so we can compare notes! 🙂

                          To me, the big take away is just that shaky hands, when they occur, are a biological reality. Not a moral failure, not a pianistic failure. Not even a preparation failure (although prep can certainly help). So my goal is to focus on learning how to play through them....