From what I understand, many performers rely on the beta blocker propanolol to keep calm and keep their hearts from racing. It is primarily a heart medication, but it also is used for essential tremor, and many doctors prescribe it for performance anxiety. I think it comes in a range of strengths from 10 mg to 80 mg. I'd recommend trying it at home before using it for a public performance.

    AaronSF I played with a violist who used beta blockers for performance anxiety! I think I'll try exercise to "burn off" the adrenaline first.

    @AaronSF yeah, a pharmaceutical solution is not one I'd consider. Especially given that I'm fine with public speaking and other situations. My problem with piano performance anxiety isn't medical.

    AaronSF Beta blockers do have side effects, and I would not recommend them to amateurs. I'm not even a fan of the fact that professionals take it, because I think it demonstrates our unhealthy obsession of getting all the notes correct in a performance setting.

      ranjit I just looked online and side effects include cold hands and feet! That's no good.

      I think some people take them because otherwise they would just fall apart from nervousness and it helps them to feel better. I can respect that but I don't think it's for me.

      To each his/her own. I only suggest propanolol because so many orchestral and solo performers use it regularly.

      twocats One word - practice. If you know a piece, well enough so you can play it almost without thinking about it, playing it for an audience should not be stressful. Also, bear in mind, that, depending on the type of audience, non-musicians vs skilled players, the average listener wouldn't notice a few minor flubs. And, most musicians will empathize with your anxiety. And, like someone else said, the more you perform, the more relaxed you'll be.

      Occasionally, when I'm asked to play something on the piano, I play a tune, or tunes, that I've been playing for years. So, any initial jitters are minimized by my confidence of familiarity with what I'm playing. One last thing...
      An easy piece played confidently will be more impressive than a difficult piece played timidly.

      a month later

      I played at a casual event today and I thought I was all good, but by the end I felt like I had been shaking inside the entire time. I may have had worse stage fright than last month! I guess I just need to keep going to these events and keep at it, because right now it's really not good.

        @twocats Iā€™m sorry to hear this!! I have been experiencing, and trying to prevent, performance anxiety for years, so I truly sympathize.

        I am just starting to re-read the Inner Game of Music, which helped me a lot 20 years ago, after I had a massive ā€œcrash and burnā€ at a recital ā€¦ But after years of not playing publicly (thanks, pandemic), I still struggle to keep the shakes at bay, so Iā€™m reading it again now. I donā€™t know if I will still find it helpful but Iā€™ll let you know as I get more into it.

        twocats I guess I just need to keep going to these events and keep at it

        To this, I would say, yes and no. And hereā€™s why:

        Yes, in that playing in public in a variety of situations is a very important form of practice, and I donā€™t think we can get better at playing in public without playing in public a lot.

        But, hereā€™s the ā€œnoā€ part of my answer. I donā€™t think just playing publicly a lot is sufficient for anyone who experiences performance anxiety. In the same way that we canā€™t ā€œjust practiceā€ to become better pianists but need to learn strategic practice methods, I think we also have to figure out, and practice, ways of countering nerves in order to get better at playing publicly. And thatā€™s where something like the Inner Game comes inā€¦

        So my advice for you is to do some reading and maybe find some ā€˜tricks and tipsā€ to implement when performing. Something like the Inner Game or the stuff on the BulletProof Musician website might be good places to startā€¦

        But I will stop here because you didnā€™t really ask for advice šŸ˜…

          ShiroKuro I'm always up for tips and tricks! šŸ˜ƒ

          Please share if you come across some good ones, I was going to put that book on hold at the library but they only have it in audiobook form.

            twocats I would not want to do a piano book like this as audio.

            Iā€™ll let you know as I get into it if I recommend it or not šŸ™‚

            When I played fairly lengthy 45+ minute recitals at my grandmother's 100th through 110th birthday parties, I always practiced on the piano beforehand. Of course not always possible but if you're willing to get there early it's a reasonable goal. At one recital I remember having a difficult time adjusting to the sound of a loud air conditioner. As a teenager I remember hearing some of the pianists practicing on the piano before the recital at meetings of the Plainfield Music Club.

              pianoloverus it helps a little but I think I'd still get stage fright! I really thought I was mostly fine until I got up there, and the longer I played the worse the shakes got šŸ™

                twocats the longer I played the worse the shakes got

                This is the worse! Iā€™ve had this experience and it just feels awful. Did you only play one piece?

                Whenever I perform, whether itā€™s a more formal recital or mini-concert like I did last November, or even just playing causally for friends, I try to make sure Iā€™m playing at least two pieces (in a row), and I plan it so that the first one is a little easier. My preference is actually three pieces (or more) but sometimes thereā€™s a time limit per performerā€¦

                Anyway, the reason for this is that ā€œthe shakesā€ is an adrenaline reaction, the bodyā€™s fight or flight reaction kicking in. So the reason our hands shake is not because weā€™re making them shake by something weā€™re consciously controlling, and this is why itā€™s also really hard to consciously make them stop shaking. The bodyā€™s fight or flight reaction is a big surge of hormones, a physical reaction in the body, and the shaky hands are just a symptom of that. Itā€™s like when something happens that really startles you, your heart starts pounding like crazy. You can take some deep breaths or whatever, but youā€™re not really causing your heart to slow back down, it slows down over a few seconds or minutes as your flight or flight system realizes the danger has passed. But when performing, the fight or flight system is sort of tightly engaged because you know have you get through to the end of the piece.

                So itā€™s very rare to be able to stop the shaky hands once the fight or flight system kicks in. But fight or flight, adrenaline, is also time limited. Your body only has so much adrenaline at its disposal. Itā€™s most intense at the beginning but eventually mellows a bit. Itā€™s like the bodyā€™s amount of adrenaline (hormone) kind of gets used up as time moves forward.

                When youā€™re playing only one piece, you get the adrenaline surge but not the cool down.

                But when youā€™re playing more than one piece, the first piece gets the full onslaught of adrenaline. Then, in between pieces, you put your hands in your lap, take a deep breath, and when you start the next piece, that adrenaline surge is a little bit tempered, a little bit less intense.

                When I play two pieces, during the second piece my hands start to feel like they belong to me again. And when I play three pieces, I notice that the shaky hands are fully resolved by the third piece (if not before).

                The other thing that helps me when Iā€™m playing more than one piece is that the pressure is reduced because I know I know itā€™s not like I only have one chance to get it right. Obviously I only have ā€œone chanceā€ with each piece, but I know Iā€™ll be playing more pieces so the pressure on each individual piece is reduced.

                And I know from my own experience now that the shaky hands will start to mellow and eventually go away as I work through my program. And just knowing that makes it easier to ignore the shaky hands while theyā€™re at their worst, because I know two things: 1) I canā€™t control the shaky hands, and 2) itā€™s time limited and it will be better when I start piece number 2.

                The other thing I try to always do is get some physical exercise, some cardio, on a day when Iā€™ll be performing. This is actually a tip I got from a professional pianist. She is the person who told me the stuff about fight or flight, and she said that you only have so much adrenaline in your body at anyone time, if you do some physical exertion, get your heart rate up, you use up some of that adrenaline and itā€™s not fully replenished until the next day (after sleep). By exercising on the day of a performance, you can sort of blunt the initial onslaught, the initial surge of adrenaline and that makes the shakes easier to control.

                And again, because adrenaline is a physical reality, when it happens, when I get the shakes, I just try to accept it. Itā€™s not my fault, and thereā€™s nothing I can do in that moment to stop it. My only goal is to keep playing, knowing Iā€™ll have another piece as well and when thatā€™s do end piece comes, Iā€™ll be calmer. And surprisingly, this helps a lot.

                Sorry, this got quite long! You can tell Iā€™ve thought about this a lot. šŸ˜…

                  ShiroKuro Did you only play one piece?

                  Yes, but it was 10 minutes (second movement of DvoÅ™Ć”k quartet played with a recording). My anxiety didn't get better during that time! Last time the repeated theme improved each time it repeated but I don't know what happened this time. Also, the piano sounded really great from the audience but it's obviously older and a bit clapped out so it didn't feel good to play.

                  ShiroKuro The other thing I try to always do is get some physical exercise, some cardio, on a day when Iā€™ll be performing. This is actually a tip I got from a professional pianist.

                  I remember this advice and I was super busy that day but next time I'm going to build it into my schedule and see if it helps!

                    twocats I was super busy that day

                    I wonder if you're able to rate your mental focus for that day or if you can compare how busy you were even in the days leading up to the performance. In addition to focus on your ideal physical state in preparation for performance, I find it helpful to focus on basic needs like good sleep and diet. Then try not to overwhelm your brain with other stuff if possible. It could be possible that you have relatively little ability to be present and adjust to the situation. Or less ability to get in a zen state of positivity. However that might be done. And finally, an ability to care less about the outcome sometimes helps.

                    Zimerman has some interesting words starting shortly after 29:15 here:

                    (Long version of a clip shared on PW)

                      twocats but it was 10 minutes (second movement of DvoÅ™Ć”k quartet played with a recording). My anxiety didn't get better during that time!

                      Yep, even with a 10 minute piece, that isn't surprising. I think there's something that happens when you have two pieces, and you get even a 30 second break in between, it helps to reset the fight or flight response, let it calm down.

                      The longest piece I play right now is just over 7 minutes, so not quite that long, but I would try to put that the longer one second if possible.

                      You'll have to experiment and see what works for you. And keep us posted of course, so we can compare notes! šŸ™‚

                      To me, the big take away is just that shaky hands, when they occur, are a biological reality. Not a moral failure, not a pianistic failure. Not even a preparation failure (although prep can certainly help). So my goal is to focus on learning how to play through them....

                        Fear of memory slips is often one of the biggest parts of performance anxiety. The solution is simple... play with the score.

                          Pathbreaker I wonder if you're able to rate your mental focus for that day or if you can compare how busy you were even in the days leading up to the performance. In addition to focus on your ideal physical state in preparation for performance

                          That's a great point and a definite learning! I was super busy the few days before the "performance". I think I practiced on Tuesday and then was running around on Wed-Fri including a really exhausting event on Friday (had to get up really early), and I didn't get to practice again or to recover before this thing on Saturday afternoon. I just grabbed my stuff and showed up.

                          Pathbreaker And finally, an ability to care less about the outcome sometimes helps.

                          I've got this part down for the casual events! That's why I'm surprised every time I get anxious, because I genuinely don't feel embarrassed if I bomb because it's so casual!

                          Thanks for sharing the video, I'll check it out later!

                          ShiroKuro I think there's something that happens when you have two pieces, and you get even a 30 second break in between, it helps to reset the fight or flight response, let it calm down.

                          Hmmmmm, that's interesting! Next month I'll aim to play the first movement of Bach's Italian Concerto. Next month I'm going to check out my friend's harpsichords and I think I need to prepare some Bach to play on them. (As much as I'd tried, I've failed to find a good spot to put a 9' harpsichord where it wouldn't take up way too much space; she offered to give me one! But another friend and I will at least go check them out.)

                          ShiroKuro You'll have to experiment and see what works for you. And keep us posted of course, so we can compare notes! šŸ™‚

                          Hah, of course!

                          ShiroKuro To me, the big take away is just that shaky hands, when they occur, are a biological reality. Not a moral failure, not a pianistic failure. Not even a preparation failure (although prep can certainly help). So my goal is to focus on learning how to play through them....

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                          pianoloverus Fear of memory slips is often one of the biggest parts of performance anxiety. The solution is simple... play with the score.

                          Not a problem for me, as I don't memorize anything!

                            Pathbreaker Zimerman has some interesting words starting shortly after 29:15 here:

                            Are you sure this is the timestamp you intended to write? The student just starts to play here.