rogerch I guess you were both using the Kawai SK-EX samples?

Thanks for your nice comment!

We were using different samples. I tried to record it again with the same settings as Rubens but I failed to get a good recording. It's funny how different the touch response is when you use a different setting. The setting Rubens used was more sensitive, so some notes sounded way too loud when I tried to record it again. I often use the mellow grand, or the studio grand with the settings changed to mellow, so I used one of those. @Rubens used a mix of two pianos, but maybe he can tell about that because I don't remember the settings exactly. Yesterday I tried to mix other pianos for fun, but not all combinations sound good. I noticed some pianos have a different stretch, so when combined large parts of the keyboard sound out of tune.

TC3 Thank you for your kind words. The work in progress comment applied to the audio recording made on 3rd August. It wasn't my intention to record a YT video, mostly because I can only do it with a mobile phone. On the morning of 15th August (just a few hours before the recital was closed) I decided to make a video using the phone with no expectation or indeed rehearsal. Nerves kicked in when I realised I wasn't reading in advance of the notes I was playing and I let both tempo and some rthyms slip in efforts to keep playing the right notes. I should have attempted a second take but the recital deadline was very close. Again, thanks for your comments.

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    lilypad Thank you for your lovely feedback. Now wishing that I had made a better recording and video.

    rogerch I really enjoy listening to you play! Your interpretation is tasteful and I like the way you balance the voices and shape the phrases. I especially like the sections that start at 3:05 and 5:13. In these sections I hear three very well balanced voices and the effect is lovely. This is a beautiful piece and I love the way you play it.

    Thank you so much for these thoughtful comments!! Reading them made my day!

    And thanks for the link to your post on the piano journey thread, I had read it before, but now that I’ve heard you improvise, it’s more meaningful! I would love to be able to improvise like you do. During covid I tried to take jazz lessons. I had two different teachers, but neither of them were a good fit for me and now I’m back to working with a regular (classically trained) teacher. We work on music of my choosing, which is good, but our lessons tend to be him coaching me to do what I already do, just a little better (if that makes sense). Rather than learning how to do something I do not know how to do, which is what lessons focused on improvising would be.

    But that’s probably ok for now. Your experience underscores that, just as it’s never too late to learn the piano, it’s never too late to learn improvising!

    P.S. I love your Eric Waugh painting!!

    Rob Thanks! You're the first person to mention the video effect. That was borne of necessity ... I forgot to lock the exposure setting on my phone camera and cars passing by were casting shadows, causing the camera to auto-adjust and just plain flicker. I decided to lean into it and use the corny old-time effect in iMovie to cover it up!

    rogerch Thanks for the info. Learning and practicing improv is so much harder for me than learning something from sheet music. I'm never quite sure what to practice, and I feel like I've spent my time just "noodling," making it hard to judge if I've accomplished anything during a practice session.

    keff Quite welcome, and thanks again for sharing your playing.


    Enthusiastic but mediocre amateur.

      rogerch I guess you were both using the Kawai SK-EX samples?

      I used Dual mode sounds: SK Concert Grand, with volume balance at 9, and EX Concert Grand with volume balance at 7. This is to try to replicate the sound of my acoustic piano. Quite different from Josephine's mellow grand sound. I should probably have used the same sample as hers!

      TC3 rogerch Thanks for the info. Learning and practicing improv is so much harder for me than learning something from sheet music. I'm never quite sure what to practice, and I feel like I've spent my time just "noodling," making it hard to judge if I've accomplished anything during a practice session.

      I wrote more detail about how I study improvisation in the Piano Journey thread

      Here’s my next batch.

      20. iternabe — The Trout. Wonderful job! This is fantastic progress for 7 months. I think you did a great job bringing out the character of the piece.

      21. ShiroKuro — Nuvole Bianche. I have not spent much time listening to Einaudi. Your playing is lovely, and I feel the serenity of the white clouds. I found the most interesting moment to be the very final chord and how the sounds got layered and then faded. There was something strangely evocative of an electronic instrument in that moment, although I know this was your Yamaha C2! I thought the dying sound — and how that last chord changed with the different decays — was really intriguing, and if I have one comment, it’s to think about not lifting the damper pedal until the sound fully dies out — or at least to experiment with this. It may be asking a little of the audience, but I really felt it was one of the more interesting aural experiences of the piece.

      22. lilypad — Manhattan 1928. Great job with this! I definitely got ‘roaring 20s Manhattan’ vibes!

      23. TheBoringPianist — Prélude, Fugue et Variation, Op. 18. Thanks so much for sharing this! I’m amazed that you put this together in so little time. It felt like you were a little tentative at the beginning but quickly got into it. Kudos!

      24. Rob — Sunday Morning. What a lovely composition! I can see how you were imagining a ballerina! They make it look so effortless and lovely!

        5. Sgisela — Joropo
        This is so tasty! It sounds obviously Latin, but in a way I have never heard before. The fact that it is 3/4, the Alberti bass with an emphasis on the 3rd beat, the displacement of beats in the right hand, these things really come together in a vibrant way. How hard was it to work on the rhythm and accents? (on the other hand you are the one who played that Barber piece, so maybe this rhythm was easy for you!)

          I listened to the submissions in a calm a dark summer night, while riding my bicycle to chill out. And I must say, this was a very nice experience at all. I liked all submissions and I think it is a very successful premiere of #1. I hope I remember all my impressions I got that night and write it down. Well - at least I remember I must change my recording setup as my own piece has a lot of hiss inside and the overall audio quality was very poor. (Good bye DI-box and hello synchronizing audio&video).

          Player1 Some quite fast runs with RH, seems challenging to me. I have seen some of your vids before and I must say, you improved your playing by a margin. But this time I noticed something, I didn't realize all the time before: Your knees, they are at height of the keyboard, most players have them below the keyboard. Or in other words, it seems your keyboard is at a very low height. Is there any reason for it? (Just curious)

          rogerch In my opinion, this is your best improvisation so far. It could be easily something that has been composed. It is very harmonic and it is pleasing to listen to. Please more of that, thank you in advance!

          keff For both, the mp3 and video link, there is a lot to like about this submission: I like this kind of music. And I like how relaxing and smoothely you played it. I like the tempo and the mood that comes by listening to it.

          Sophia Listening the first time to it, I wondered: She broke with the rythm, whats up with her? But still, it sounds good... And then: Ah - the piece is itself is switching from waltz to a 4/4 beat. Something fairly uncommon. The only beat switching I am familiar so far was from 2/4 to 3/4. So it was a very interesting experience for me. Sophia, you played is very nice, very relaxed with your hands and you kept a good and steady tempo through the entire piece. In my opinion you played this Alfred's so beautiful, that you can add a checkmark and move to the next piece - or blues lesson. Well done, I liked it a lot.

          Sgisela I enjoyed this piece already in the fast pieces recital. And to the risk I repeat, some passages still reminds me to some bavarian traditional folk music - but faster. About fast - this piece is very fast and seems also quite challenging to me. Well done!

          Sam Very nicely played and again this is a very interesting piece. Some well place dissonances to create some tension to be resolved later. If I remember correctly, your previous recital piece had unexpected stops. It seems, you are continuing to select pieces away from main-stream. Good choice, I like to have diversity here. Get well soon, with best wishes. And as always, thank you for keeping the recital tradition running. Even if this is the wrong forum, but we all know this wouldn't happen if you didn't run it in PW all the years.

          hebele You played this piece astounding well. And you put a lot of feeling into it, so it didn't sound anything like beginner. I can't believe you are just at 5 months of self-learning. It sounds like are are a lot longer into piano playing. I would pull off my hat, if I had one. But I am pulling off my headphones, because that comes closest. Big bravo!

          MarieJ Very dreamy and beautifully performed. The art in your video is a superb match to the piece, a very good choice to do so.

          plop_symphony Whatever you played, it sounds amazing. A put a lot of feeling into it. I don't know how it would sound if the tempo would be higher, but I can tell the tempo of your choice was just right and the entire piece sounded so lovely. If there is one thing to improve, I would say the very last note deserves an even longer decay for my liking. That's it. Everything else was just perfect.

          thepianoplayer416 What a deligthful piece on a beautiful instrument. So nice to see how good you can perform on a proper instrument, compared to the spring loaded travel equiment that held back your skills. Well done.

          Nightowl You played the entire piece in a very steady tempo and also very clean. The piece seems not to be easy, there are some challenging parts inside. And you did it completely without a single mistake in one take. This is very good for a couple of months of playing. If there is something to improve, I would say it is the fluidity of playing. I don't find better words for it and can not exactly describe it. Not sure if playing more legato is the right term. But I am sure this comes over time automatically if you are paying just a little bit attention to it during practice. Just a little attention - all things you did right are IMO more important at this learning stage. Can't wait to see your progress in 3 months at recital #2.

          bSharp I love Einaudi. His pieces may be minimalistic or whatever they are described to be. (I don't know if minimalism is the right term, but looking to the sheet music, it seems to be everything but easy) Only thing I know, Einaudi need a well performed interpretation to shine. Dynamics, rubato and much more fine details. And you had them all in yours. Very well played, it was a pleasure to listen to your version.

          SalmonJack I love the video cut, I love the piece, and I love how beautiful you played it. I think as an adult beginner I can only dream to be able to play (and compose) some day as amazing as you do. You can be very proud of your premiere of this forum's rectials. Kudos.

          Calavera I loved your music choices at the very first time over in PW, and I still do. Your performances had been always a joy to listen to, and this is no exception. The big thing that makes yours so outstanding is the fact you are playing this computer-game / anime genre from japanese composers. It is so nice to hear an entire different style of music from you. And on top of that very well performed. Big respect to your playing abilities and a big thank you for your remarkable musical choices of the pieces.

          rsl12 This one was so much fun to listen. I love the bluesy style (or jazzy - I can't even draw a line to tell if something is Blues or Jazz), and the lyrics always make me smile when I hear it. (Yes, right now I listened to it the 5th time) The first time I heard your submission it was in a dark summer night, outside, sitting on my bike and wearing earbuds. And then I was thinking about how this would fit into a movie like Toy-Story. You know, when riding a bicyle at night, not reading any text, that brain comes up with a lot of pictures and funny ideas. The one that your song painted into my mind, was to have this song at a scene when two characters in a Toy Story like movie are becoming friends and having a great time together. No talking, no sound effects, just pictures and this song. Big thank you for sharing this piece.
          Anything else? Yes - you improved you singing skills. The first time I had the impression you are afraid of wrong notes and you were holding back your voice. Not this time. This time is was way better. Bravo! Can't wait to see your next recital.

          TC3 I with I could play the Blues with the same expression as you. Not to mention the difficulty level of yours is way higher. Very well performed, and I like the way of aging the video, especially the vignette effect.

          iternabe The piece might be at an easy level, but you compensated it with a very clean playing. And the nice thing about your submission are the dynamics and the fluidity of your playing. It is really a joy to watch your videos (not just the recital piece) and you are doing remarkably well with your progress.

          ShiroKuro It is indeed a pity that the audio quality is not the best. But your playing was. You are building this piece very well up, adding more and more complexity. And after a very short time of listening, I thought: okay - this will be some great 6 minutes of enjoying your music. And then it slowed down, seemed almost to come to an end and I really thought: "What? 6 minutes are over? Already? That can't be true, I want more of that. Okay, I can repeat it when is finished." But thank god it wasn't over, this piece kept going and it was just as nice as before. Nevertheless I repeated it, three more times in a row! I think you just got the essence of Einaudi's composition exactly as it is inteded to be. Big thumbs up! This is a very beautiful submission.

          lilypad This is another example of a very well performed piece, we beginners can just dream of to be able to play. Did I hear some blue notes? I love the calm mood, it is to soothing, so relaxing to listen to. I think there was mistake (or call it hickup) to hear, but I prefer to listen to a version with all the good expression over a errorfree one that is played more like a robot. Thank you for sharing.


          Second bunch of comments coming soon.

            Sophia @rsl12
            WOW!!!! For a moment I thought I had entered the movie Toy Story - I love, LOVE, LOVE that theme. Your singing has improved SO MUCH, wow, a HUGE leap from the previous recital. And the piano complemented it so nicely... I could listen to that type of music for hours! Love the lyrics too, did I mention it should be used in a movie? 😛 And who can help but smile back when a performance ends with such a happy smile... loved it from start to finish!

            LOL - Toy Story was also my very first thought while listening to it. And I was NOT reading this comment before. @rsl12 - you should send a demo-tape to Pixar.

            WieWaldi You're far too kind. 🙂 I only started working on blues in a semi-serious way a few years ago, so you'll catch up with me in no time. Thanks for listening!


            Enthusiastic but mediocre amateur.

            WieWaldi Thanks WieWaldi, but I should point out that although I only upgraded to a digital piano 2 months ago, I began playing last November - almost 9 months ago. So, I'm not moving at the rapid pace you might have thought.

            You're right, my playing is not as fluid as it should be - this is partly due to red dot syndrome (well, that's my excuse and I'm sticking to it 😃). Most of the performances in this recital are at a far higher level than I will ever manage, but I've enjoyed being part of the first recital and receiving lots of feedback, all the comments are much appreciated.

            "Don't let's ask for the moon, we have the stars." (Final line from Now,Voyager, 1942)

              @navindra I am actually very happy that your performance was unplanned, and spontaneous!
              It is all the more, a special moment in time, and a memory captured forever.
              I loved every single second of it.
              Thank you.

              @Serge88 An enjoyable and smooth performance. I liked your video format, and very much liked your smile, at the end!

              @diretonic What a cool blues that was! Your performance looked effortless. I have watched a few times now.😀

              @TheBoringPianist Well, that was anything but boring! A most enjoyable performance in what must have been a totally nerve wracking setting. Bravo!

              @lilypad Impressive, considering that you only returned to piano this year!
              A good recovery at the one minute mark, too! I blame the 'red dot'😀

              @ShiroKuro To my ears, that was played beautifully, and sounded good through my headphones.
              Your iphone audio, actually made the piece more atmospheric, almost a felt piano sound, which I liked.

              Well, that's it for me. Apologies if I have left anyone out, but rest assured I fully enjoyed all the submissions.
              This is the first recital I have ever taken part in, either on, or offline, and it was a most enjoyable experience.
              Thanks to everyone who left comments on my piece. It means a lot to this old man!

              Finally, huge thanks to Navindra, and anyone else involved in making this recital a reality.
              I really appreciate all of your hard work.
              Thank you,
              Rob

                Sgisela Thank you for your kind comment on 'Sunday Morning'
                I must have a thing about ballerinas, as some time ago, I recorded a short piece, about a music box ballerina, who comes alive at midnight, to dance freely, before returning to the box by morning.

                Nightowl I didn't know about your digital piano (congrats, bw). No, with a couple of months I was talking about last November, less than a year of playing. And as I said, for this short time of piano playing you did reasonable well. In my opinion it is very brave to submit as a beginner to the same recital as other players with 10 years of practice and more. I really respect this, and I believe many most others here do as well. In the other forum the real beginners were at a much lower number. I think this is due to the fact, the forum software is newer. It allows smalltalk way better. It is easier to post pictures. The notifications system with "somebody replied to you" is the reason for a shorter reaction time to posts and all thal makes PianoTell more alive. If you accomodated with chatting and you know that other members better, the hurdle to submit to the recital is way lower.

                Nightowl Most of the performances in this recital are at a far higher level ...

                Haha, mine was at your level! Maybe a bit faster played and a bit more flowing, that's it.

                Nightowl ... than I will ever manage

                chill😉 - if you keep playing, your level goes up and up and suddenly you realize you are swimming with the swarm and other players on a lower level than yours are joining.

                WieWaldi
                Made 1 recording with the Yamaha DP at home and the second on a Yamaha grand.
                As a travel instrument, the Piano de Voyage at $1500 isn't cheap. What most digital instruments lack is a realistic piano sound. Even the best hybrid pianos don't sound 100% like a real piano. At age 5 the family had a Yamaha upright for less than a year. Nobody in the family showed any musical talent or interest in music to appreciate a good acoustic piano sound. After starting piano as an adult the keyboard instruments I have at home are all digital. For practice when you're away from home, portable DPs are fine but for serious Classical music no.

                23. TheBoringPianist — Prélude, Fugue et Variation, Op. 18
                Congratulations for being a finalist in a piano competition. I (we) didn't hear what your competitors played, but yours was very good. On top of that, yours is really a recital. And with this I mean a live recital. No possibility to stop and restart the recording. Oh dear - I can't tell how often I did. Applause!

                24. Rob — Sunday Morning
                This is one of the very beautiful played submissions. One of the gems, I really enjoyed to listen to. I never get how people can make up music just out of the mind, no sheet music, just from scratch in the head. I find this is an amazing talent.
                And yes, this AI generated picture is just perfect.

                25. diretonic — Borrowed Blues
                Short, sweet and to the point. Seems we have a lot of Blues here. 😎👍I loved the sound, the highs contrasted by the bass, the mood, everything was just to nice to listen. I am envy, you did this by ear. I hope I ll get one day at least anything close to that playing level. I doubt it, but I can still dream of. Thank for sharing this beautiful excerpt of finest Blues piano.

                26. Rubens @Josephine — Waltz Op.70 no.2
                It is nice to see this forum joined to members to be student and professor. First of all, kudos to you audacity cut, this is really seamless. The playing style of you both is indeed a bit different. Ruben's part is also a bit louder recorded. Both parts were played with very great passion. Chopin would be proud to listen to his composition in such a fine accomplishment.

                27. Serge88 — Misty
                The song itself (Garner's achievement) and your recording are simply beautiful. There is lot of passion in your interpretation. The major part of this recital is on a very high level and yours belong to the gems amongst it. And as last time I can just repeat, you did a very nice video setup, seeing you playing and have a closeup to your fingers. I really like that. And the piano sound is also at an amazing level - the P525 seems to be an amazing instrument. This and an amazing player in front of the keyboard make up for this perfect work. You can really be proud of yourself. Applause!

                28. twocats — Rustle of Spring
                I can't help myself, I am always hearing some excerps of the Ride of the Valkyries here and there^^. Good you decided to participate in last minute. For my ears it was just perfect, no traces of under-practicing or the like. Kudos and thanks for sharing.

                29. navindra — Bluebird
                This one is played so lovely, the use of tempo variations are done that well. Goosebump situation. About this Einaudi comment, I also thing both composers have similar style and one isn't really into it they are easily to be mixed up. I find it also amazing how you can record a video with 3 camera angles and every one is really superb placed. Superb is also the right word for your video cut. As there was a lot of stuff going around you, I suppose this was your first and only take, a live situation! Big respect to that, you can really be proud of yourself to deliver something beatiful like that.
                No wonder you got claps for this one.


                I hope I did not forget to comment anyone. The entire recital was on a very high level, with some of us beginners in the mix. I hope we beginners don't get intimidated and continue to submit in the follow up ones. Big thank you to Navindra for making this happen. And of course big thank you to Sam Smith as he is the father of all forum online recitals and still doing it over in PW.
                Let's celebrate the premiere!

                  WieWaldi

                  I'm very tall. It's my leg's that are out of proportion, the keyboard is at table height.