OMG @Animisha …. ChatGPT is going to be the end of us all 😆

Jokes aside, thank you for starting this thread. As I think I said in the other thread, I’ll have to get back into this book before I can comment more deeply

But just going off my memory, I would say this summary is probably pretty accurate. OTOH I think the summary alone doesn’t give enough information to put those ideas into practice. But again, I need to re-read to be sure.

But! Back to the other thing I talked about in the other thread (I think I talked about this…)

I think what this summary shows is that the Inner Game is really about performance and how to get better at performing well. IOW, performing music that you have already learned. Indeed, this from the summary:

The core of The Inner Game of Music is about quieting self-doubt and engaging fully with the music. The exercises are designed to foster confidence, focus, and joy in playing, transforming practice and performance into more fulfilling experiences.

Whereas MG’s approach is about the learning piece, how to more effectively and efficiently learn new techniques and new music.

As such, I suspect the two books, and the two approaches, will complement each other nicely.

Now I just have to re-read the Inner Game and finish reading MG’s book… 😅

Anyway, thank you @Animisha for starting this thread!

As an aside, I am afraid to ask ChatGPT for a summary of my book…. What kind of prompt did you put into it to get this summary?

    ShiroKuro ChatGPT is going to be the end of us all 😆

    I share your fears! 😨

    ShiroKuro OTOH I think the summary alone doesn’t give enough information to put those ideas into practice.

    Quite right. But, as you say, this book is more about performance than about learning, and by reading the summary I know now that it is not on top of my reading list.

    ShiroKuro What kind of prompt did you put into it to get this summary?

    First: "Are you familiar with the book: The inner game of music by Barry Green?"
    This resulted in the first summary of the book, and Chat GPT finished by saying: If you're curious about specific ideas or exercises from the book, feel free to ask! 😊

    I said: Yes, could you please tell me about his specific ideas and exercises for musicians?

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    ... feeling like the pianist on the Titanic ...

            @Animisha

            by reading the summary I know now that it is not on top of my reading list.

            this is quite valuable isn't it!

            I do believe there are many benefits from ChatGPT (and other genAI programs) but the drawbacks are kind of scary to me! /threaddrift

            Animisha "Are you familiar with the book: The inner game of music by Barry Green?"

            Oh, I meant to say, well, now I will have to ask about my book. 😛

              Pallas not in the public forum, don't want to "out" myself! 😅

              It's just a boring academic book (and defintely not a money-maker) but I'll PM you

                Pallas Anonymity!

                I might be more cagey than some, but years ago when I got very active on PW, my spouse asked me to stay anonymous (for safety as much as antyhing else), and so I've tried to do so ever since.

                  Animisha I have not read the book, but Chat-GPT has. I asked for a summary. Here it is!

                  I would caution against using chatgpt too much. You can get a very broad overview, but it often messes up the details in subtle but important ways, and often doesn't get to the "core" of the premise.

                  Something like this website seems much more helpful to me.
                  https://fourminutebooks.com/the-inner-game-of-tennis-summary/

                      Thank you for your warning, ranjit
                      I know that everything Chat-GPT says needs to be checked. However, there are many situations in which it is more helpful than any website could be.

                      (Off topic: This January, I changed from a PC with Microsoft to a MiniMac. The change was much more challenging than expected. But the good thing was that I had a tireless and friendly assistant. Whatever the problem, I described it and I sent screen shots to Chat-GPT and I got very good help. The best moment was when none of Chat-GPT's tips worked, and I sent a screen shot to show it, and then Chat-GPT said: "On your screen shot, I can see that you have this particular setting that is messing things up." This setting was something we had not talked about at all. I changed the setting and everything worked like a dream.)

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                      ... feeling like the pianist on the Titanic ...

                          Animisha However, there are many situations in which it is more helpful than any website could be.

                          I think it is a great tool for searching for information, similar to what you did here.

                              ranjit Exactly. We just have to be very... careful in how much we rely on it.

                              Exactly. The Inner Game summary is a great example, the summary can't substitute for reading the actual book, but I think it can help you decide if you want to read it in full.

                              Then the only other thing people need to remember is that, when using genAI to try to get information about something you don't know about (which is the most common use case), the danger is that the user doesn't have enough knowledge to be able to judge the quality of the output. Which means they can't judge the truth value, or the sufficiency or relevance of the information....

                                  ShiroKuro Exactly. The Inner Game summary is a great example, the summary can't substitute for reading the actual book, but I think it can help you decide if you want to read it in full.

                                  I thought the summary was quite poor, compared to the user written summary I linked for instance. It talks about a few suggestions and theories and makes it sound like a self-help book imo. It also includes a lot of details that aren't as central to the premise. I wasn't inclined to read the book after reading the ChatGPT summary, but I definitely was after reading the other one.

                                    @ranjit I didn't read the link you shared (sorry!) and I have already read the actual book, so I myself am interested and planning to reread it, which I think makes me not a good judge, because I'm already interested. But I was just thinking of the summary as helpful to @Animisha and hence a "great example" of a good genAI use case, but your comment pretty much negates that, doesn't it! 😃

                                    BTW I asked Copilot (MS's genAI) to summarize my book, and it was very short, and very dry. -_- basically empty of what makes the book interesting.

                                    Ugh. Seriously, I dislike AI immensely.

                                    7 days later

                                    If you have to read the book to assess the accuracy of ChatGPT or to understand the concepts presented accurately, then I'd consider the ChatGPT output to border on useless.

                                    I found it to be marginally more useful at best than a table of contents.

                                      sweelinck If you have to read the book to assess the accuracy of ChatGPT or to understand the concepts presented accurately, then I'd consider the ChatGPT output to border on useless.

                                      Exactly!

                                      I know, I know, I’m contradicting what I wrote up above, but that’s ok, I’m human and I changed my mind 😃

                                        a month later

                                        So many familiar names here from PW.

                                        Hi all 👋

                                        Welcome @fata760 !!