RFox ShiroKuro, yes, it does seem unfair to beginners, the point is taken and I intended no slight
Thank you!
but I really don't think scales are for beginners because the last thing you want to be building into your scale technique is beginner technique.
This is interesting (the idea that scales aren't for beginners), I wonder how many teachers would agree with you.
Your other point, about not embedding "beginner technique," could be said about almost anything we do at the piano. IMO, that's why it's important for people to work with a teacher (esp. beginners, but also players who are beyond the beginning levels).
I know a lot of people have various restrictions (whether time, money, location, etc.) that means they can't work one-on-one with a teacher, so I know my opinion here about the importance of teachers isn't necessarily fair or realistic for many. Also, I have almost always had a teacher, and I have one right now (even though I've been playing for 25 years now), so I know I'm biased by my own experience there. /threaddrift
Back to the topic at hand, I am also biased by my own experience, which is that I incorporated scales into my practice routine from a very early stage -- but again, I was working with a teacher. These days I almost never play them, despite believing they're valuable. 😅