Miracles by Alexis Ffrench — is this right?

ShiroKuro · 2024-10-06T11:40:14+00:00

After putting Miracles aside for a few weeks while I focused on some other pieces, I returned to it yesterday and it’s now at the top of my practice menu. Th...

Gooseberry

@ShiroKuro I'm not sure if I'm reading it correctly, but isn't the first note in the treble clef an eight note, so according to your system you should count it 1-2 instead of 1-2-3? And then the "3" would fall on the sixteenth Db?

ShiroKuro

Hmm I see your point but then shouldn’t those notes be disconnected?

To me that Eb Db group looks like a set, but then the Eb should have a dot in front of it right? (These are things you never think about after you’ve been reading for 25 years but then you start to question yourself!! 😅

ShiroKuro

It if you’re right, then the treble Db would line up with the bass Ab?

I’m not at a piano right now so that makes this harder… /excuses

Gooseberry

ShiroKuro It if you’re right, then the treble Db would line up with the bass Ab?

Yes.
Maybe if you played the Db like an eight note instead of sixteenth+eight as written, you could count: Eb (1-2) Db (3-4) then on the “4” of the Db you play the Gb and start counting for the second beat 1234 from the second Gb (tied), then all the rest falls into place?

Rubens

ShiroKuro

I just got up and just saw the thread now, sorry for not answering earlier!

ShiroKuro the treble Db would line up with the bass Ab?

Absolutely, so @Gooseberry is right and so are you (now)!
You can hear it in the recording😁.

I can draw the bar with the correct beat subdivisions if needed, just let me know ok. Those syncopations can be tricky to learn but once you get it it doesn't go away.

ShiroKuro

Hi @Rubens ! Thanks for responding! 🙂 But I still have a question

How can both @Gooseberry and I be right? 😅 Do you mean, my counting (as per the marked up score I posted) is correct? Or do you mean that Gooseberry is right, in that the first note in the treble clef is supposed to be an eighth note?

And as for the “Gb F Eb Db” part and how I have them linked up to those bass clef notes, did you mean I'm right about that?

You can hear it in the recording

I actually don't think if I can -- what I mean is, I don't think I can "hear" it in the recording well enough to answer my own questions. Not just about that first note in the measure, but about the relationship between the inner and lower voices, which is the core part of my question. I think the music goes by too fast for me to figure that out by listening. I'll certainly try though (I'm not at home right now...)

Rubens

ShiroKuro How can both @Gooseberry and I be right?

You were wrong in your original post and then you were right in your subsequent post (when you asked gooseberry to confirm what (s)he said).

ShiroKuro Or do you mean that Gooseberry is right, in that the first note in the treble clef is supposed to be an eighth note?

Yes. In your original post it seems you thought it was a dotted eighth note.

ShiroKuro And as for the “Gb F Eb Db” part and how I have them linked up to those bass clef notes, did you mean I'm right about that?

No, you were wrong about that. As said earlier, you were wrong in your original post and then you were right in your subsequent post. So the way you marked the score in the first post was incorrect.

Gooseberry

Rubens you asked gooseberry to confirm what (s)he said

she 🙂

ShiroKuro

Rubens So the way you marked the score in the first post was incorrect.

Great, this is exactly what I need to know!! So for that inner voice line, all the notes in the “Gb F Eb Db” part come one 16th note beat earlier than I have them drawn in with those red lines, right?

IOW, the treble Db lines up with the first Ab in the bass, is that right? Then the first Gb in the treble comes in between the first two bass clef Ab notes; the treble Eb comes before the bass Gb, the treble Db lines up with the bass Db? So far, so good?

Then, the Ab in the treble lines up with the fourth Ab in the bass (the one that doesn't get played), and the last group of three notes in the inner line (Db Eb F) come after the fourth beat in the measure (IOW, after the last bass Ab that doesn't actually get played).

Is that right?

Rubens

ShiroKuro
Yes yes yes yes yes 😁

ShiroKuro

@Rubens Yay!!!

Thank you thank you thank you!!!

Great, now I can dive into this tonight at practice without worrying that I'm reading it wrong!

Whew. 🙂

ShiroKuro

Just finished practicing… and of course, now I see that the correct count makes musical sense, and the incorrect one doesn’t (duh).

~~Hindsight~~ hind-play is 20/20?

Thanks again @Rubens !

navindra

ShiroKuro Thanks you again @Rubens for transcribing the score!!

Wow! Nice one, Rubens... I had missed this. 🙂

My understanding is a that a job like this is worth $$$. What a great skill to have.

ShiroKuro

navindra Wow! Nice one, Rubens... I had missed this.

Yes, @Rubens is amazing!! I've been wanting to play this for a year, and as you note, the companies that do this kind of transcription charge tons of money. The cheapest one I found was around $100! So I posted a thread here at PT to see if I could recruit enough people to split the cost. A couple of people tried their hand at transcribing it, and Rubens, who said he was "bored at work" (!) transcribed the whole thing, most beautifully!!!!

That was the best gift I've received in a very, very long time!!! 💗

Here's the original thread, with his score in it:
https://forum.pianotell.com/d/1185-hey-alexis-ffrench-fans

WieWaldi

Late at the party, sorry, and maybe everything is already solved.

This is my take, then the notes align perfectly.
Green numbers the 16th note values and in case two notes with different duration are on top of each other, I numbered only the ones that count for the measure.

It was tricky to understand this measure, because first I counted the last 8th note instead of the 3 16th notes below, and the sum was 15 16th notes in total.