Pallas Sometimes I listen to a recording of someone playing a piece while I follow along with the score. Lots of YouTube channels out there with play-throughs of books. In your opinion, does this help with sight reading, or does it only help the ear? My intuition says it's a "couldn't hurt" activity, so it's not like I'll stop. I'm just wondering if this is a thing other people do toward some purpose other than enjoyment (yes, I think it's fun, and that's why I do it - to drool over pieces I want to play one day).

It won't hurt but it won't help with reading music. Maybe it can help a little with your ear although I'm not convinced of that either. To sight read music you have to combine the act of seeing the notes and making the physical connection to the notes on the keyboard. Some people can read sheet music and learn to play it only by visualizing playing it in their head but these people: 1) are already very advanced and highly trained, 2) have an extremely well developed ear, and 3) are very good sight readers. Most of us mere mortals have to physically sit down at the piano and do the work.

Do you think sight reading is important? Why or why not?

Yes, even though I'm terrible at it. I learn quickly with audio recordings of tonal music (I usually have a piece memorized by the time that I can actually play the notes correctly), but what am I going to do if I have to play a piece that's seldom-recorded or is completely new?

Although, thinking about it, I think the actual skill that I desire the most currently is the skill of "put your hands where your mind wants them to be". Speaking off the cuff, we get input streams (visual from sight reading, audio from listening to people we're playing with, etc.), process them, and then transform that into an output in our hands. While I do want to improve the throughput of the visual input stream from sight reading, that last step is more of my current bottleneck. As an example, I sometimes do impromptu transcriptions of orchestral pieces on the piano for fun based on what I hear, but even though I can hear it in my head and decide how I want to play it, my hands don't always end up in the right places.

"You're a smart kid. But your playing is terribly dull."

Ok folks,
I summed up a list of links from this thread to have a better overview of material.
I hope I found the right link, if someone posted the title, only.

Books (paper / digital)

note: The Classics to Moderns book is ordered chronologically not by difficulty.

Sophia
Library of Easy Piano Classics
Library of Easy Piano Classics 2
I find the pieces in part 2 a little less hard, overall.

BartK I like using graded books that have many pieces per level. If you're in North America you can order the RCM repertoire and etudes books. The whole series from Preparatory to level 10 has over 500 pieces!

I found list books on amazon.com. And I have a couple of questions:

  • Maybe you can tell something about what the Prep A/B level mean, compared to Level 1-X?
  • And would you recommend the Repertoire or the Etudes to start with?
  • I also found a "Four Start Sight reading and Ear Tests" series. Do you have experience with those books, too?

C6R0A - Celebration Series Sixth Edition - Piano Repertoire Level Prep A
C6R0B - Celebration Series Sixth Edition - Piano Repertoire Level Prep B
C6R01 - Celebration Series Sixth Edition - Piano Repertoire Level 1
C6R02 - Celebration Series Sixth Edition - Piano Repertoire Level 2
C6R03 - Celebration Series Sixth Edition - Piano Repertoire Level 3
C6R04 - Celebration Series Sixth Edition - Piano Repertoire Level 4
C6R05 - Celebration Series Sixth Edition - Piano Repertoire Level 5
C6R06 - Celebration Series Sixth Edition - Piano Repertoire Level 6
C6R07 - Celebration Series Sixth Edition - Piano Repertoire Level 7
C6R08 - Celebration Series Sixth Edition - Piano Repertoire Level 8
C6R09 - Celebration Series Sixth Edition - Piano Repertoire Level 9
C6R10 - Celebration Series Sixth Edition - Piano Repertoire Level 10

C6E01 - Celebration Series Sixth Edition - Piano Etudes Level 1
C6E02 - Celebration Series Sixth Edition - Piano Etudes Level 2
C6E03 - Celebration Series Sixth Edition - Piano Etudes Level 3
C6E04 - Celebration Series Sixth Edition - Piano Etudes Level 4
C6E05 - Celebration Series Sixth Edition - Piano Etudes Level 5
C6E06 - Celebration Series Sixth Edition - Piano Etudes Level 6
C6E07 - Celebration Series Sixth Edition - Piano Etudes Level 7
C6E08 - Celebration Series Sixth Edition - Piano Etudes Level 8
C6E09 - Celebration Series Sixth Edition - Piano Etudes Level 9
C6E10 - Celebration Series Sixth Edition - Piano Etudes Level 10

4S0A - Royal Conservatory Four Star Sight Reading and Ear Tests Level Prep A Book 2015 Edition
4S0B - Royal Conservatory Four Star Sight Reading and Ear Tests Level Prep B Book 2015 Edition
4S01 - Royal Conservatory Four Star Sight Reading and Ear Tests Level 1 Book 2015 Edition
4S02 - Royal Conservatory Four Star Sight Reading and Ear Tests Level 2 Book 2015 Edition
4S03 - Royal Conservatory Four Star Sight Reading and Ear Tests Level 3 Book 2015 Edition
4S04 - Royal Conservatory Four Star Sight Reading and Ear Tests Level 4 Book 2015 Edition
4S05 - Royal Conservatory Four Star Sight Reading and Ear Tests Level 5 Book 2015 Edition
4S06 - Royal Conservatory Four Star Sight Reading and Ear Tests Level 6 Book 2015 Edition
4S07 - Royal Conservatory Four Star Sight Reading and Ear Tests Level 7 Book 2015 Edition
4S08 - Royal Conservatory Four Star Sight Reading and Ear Tests Level 8 Book 2015 Edition
4S09 - Royal Conservatory Four Star Sight Reading and Ear Tests Level 9 Book 2015 Edition
4S010 - Royal Conservatory Four Star Sight Reading and Ear Tests Level 10 Book 2015 Edition

plop_symphony I'm using a couple of books in addition to the easiest repertoire I can find for sight reading: Paul Harris's "Improve Your Sight-Reading!" and Keith Snell/Diane Hidy's "Sight Reading" (Kjos).

GP700 - Sight Reading - Diane Hidy - Preparatory Level
GP701 - Sight Reading - Diane Hidy - Level 1
GP702 - Sight Reading - Diane Hidy - Level 2
GP703 - Sight Reading - Diane Hidy - Level 3
GP704 - Sight Reading - Diane Hidy - Level 4

The following list is available as Kindle and paperback (by Paul Harris)
Improve your sight-reading! Piano Initial Grade
Improve Your Sight-Reading! Piano, Pre-Grade 1
Improve Your Sight-Reading! Piano Grade 1
Improve your sight-reading! Piano Grade 2
Improve your sight-reading! Piano Grade 3
Improve your sight-reading! Piano Grade 4
Improve your sight-reading! Piano Grade 5
Improve your sight-reading! Piano Grade 6
Improve your sight-reading! Piano Grade 7
Improve your sight-reading! Piano Grade 8

Gooseberry WieWaldi There is also a series of complementary books - Improve Your Sight-Reading! A Piece a Week, by the same author (Paul Harris). The books are also graded from Grade 1 to Grade 8, and available for Kindle and as print books. I think they are a great addition to the original learning series.

Improve your sight-reading! A piece a week Piano Initial Grade
Improve Your Sight-Reading! A Piece a Week -- Piano, Level 1
Improve Your Sight-Reading! A Piece a Week -- Piano, Level 2
Improve Your Sight-Reading! A Piece a Week -- Piano, Level 3
Improve Your Sight-Reading! A Piece a Week -- Piano, Level 4
[Improve Your Sight-Reading! A Piece a Week -- Piano, Level 5
Improve Your Sight-Reading! A Piece a Week -- Piano, Level 6
Improve your sight-reading! A piece a week--Piano Levels 7-8

Online content (free)

BicBic Then check some of the pieces at each level on IMSLP to get a bit of an idea of the difficulty level of the RCM rep books

imslp-download: Sight reading Exercises (3 books) - C.Schäfer
imslp-download: PALMER'S Graded Studies - Reading Music at Sight
imslp-download: Pieces for sight Reading - Arthus Somervell

Sophia I found two delightful sources to start from scratch. I'm very fond of the John Thompson method, and his primer series is no exception:
Easiest Piano Course Part 1 (I haven't found any free sources for the other parts)
Easiest Classics (pdf-download)

ranjit I found these pieces useful for initial sight reading progress.
https://gmajormusictheory.org/

Online-Orgelbuch Sätze

    WieWaldi I found list books on amazon.com. And I have a couple of questions:

    Maybe you can tell something about what the Prep A/B level mean, compared to Level 1-X?
    And would you recommend the Repertoire or the Etudes to start with?
    I also found a "Four Start Sight reading and Ear Tests" series. Do you have experience with those books, too?

    Preparatory A/B is like level 0. It's equivalent to beginner method books.

    Both the repertoire and etudes books contain pieces but the etudes are more geared towards learning technique. They are both fine for sight reading although if I had to choose I would choose the repertoire books because they contain more pieces.

    The Four Star series is absolutely amazing. I thought RCM discontinued this series and only has the online app, which is embarassingly bad, but maybe they are still available. These books show you how to sight read with short exercises in rhythm and note reading. Each book is appropriate to the sight reading skills expected at that level, so for example the exercises in level 3 are much easier than repertoire of level 3. The preparatory books start with reading one note at a time and finding all the As, Bs, etc., like you would as a total beginner, and the level 10 asks you to basically sight read a page from a Beethoven sonata or a Debussy prelude or similar stuff (that's just so you have an idea of the range of these books). I bought these books 8 years ago and am still using them to this day (I'm on level 10 if anyone is curious 😉). If you can get those books then definitely do so.

      WieWaldi I got this book: Sight-Reading & Harmony (Complete Edition)
      It contains about 160 one-liners in different keys (from 3 flats over plain C up to 3 sharps). Each one-liner is printed in 5 different difficulty levels on one page. All the one-liners are chorales - with a German title (no lyrics, haha).

      I tried to do it, but I gave up when I was confronted with keys I couldn't play. I said to myself: If I get to a piece with a new key, I practice the scale in this key, before. And then things got boring

      In the publicity for the book you mentioned, I see this: "The four-part chorales of J.S. Bach are regarded by most educators as the “ultimate litmus test” in music reading and sight-reading." I don't agree. If you spend a lot of time playing through chorales, you're going to get very good at - - - playing chorales. That's fine if you adore chorales, they never bore you and you don't want to play anything else. But if you want to get good at reading other styles, you need to practice reading those styles.

      I also looked at the sample page. Each example is only half a chorale! No wonder you got bored. It's as if you were given a book of 4-line poems, but each one was cut off after the second line, so you never got to the end of a poem.

      If you want to get better at sight-reading without boring yourself to death, you need to read complete pieces. Pieces that tell stories. All sorts of stories: short ones, long ones, sad ones, happy ones...

      You already posted a list of compilations. There are some good ideas there: I'd have a look at the Classics to Moderns series. Apart from that, just look for piano music anywhere you can find it: in secondhand shops, in libraries, on the internet... Discovering stuff yourself is fun!

      If a piece doesn't look ridiculously hard to you, put it on the piano and try to play the first few bars. Just the first phrase. Can you see where that phrase ends? Even if you play it very slowly, even if you make mistakes, can you work out how it ought to sound? If you thinks you've sussed out that phrase, great: it doesn't matter for the moment if you can't play it up to speed. Go on to the next phrase, do the same thing and slowly you will see and hear the story of the piece unfold.

        MRC I don't like chorales. no. Not a little bit.

        But I really see this as a sight reading practice book. My current problem is the height of a note and the corresponding key on the keyboard. I always find myself asking: "What is this note? The closest one I know is the D. Go 3 down and I get a D-C-B-A".
        I want to be able to see note(s) on any clef and instantly know where the key on my keyboard is located. Including the flats and the sharps of the key. Plus the ability to find the note(s) on the keyboard without looking.
        I think for that purposes chorales are fine. If I press a wrong key, I can hear it because of the disharmony. If I just had a app that creates random notes for sight-reading training, I couldn't hear the mistake.

        MRC f you spend a lot of time playing through chorales, you're going to get very good at - - - playing chorales.

        Haha - this is true. Nevertheless my worst problem (finding the right keys on my keyboard) should be solved with that. I agree, this doesn't make me able to play ragtime or stride piano from sheet music, because I haven't learnt to do leaps without looking. But at least I know what keys I should press down.

        One ability that isn't addressed by chorales is rhythm work like syncopations and poly-ryhthms. But this is currently my strength in music-reading anyway. (If I can call this it a strength, haha). I am able to process stoic from left to right and press the right keys when the needed to be pressed. If I just knew what keys to press...

        Bottom line: I'll stick to this book. It is a start into sight-reading. And then do exactly what you proposed - work with "real" music. Unfortunately the books in this RCM-list don't contain a preview of 1 or 2 pages, so I don't know which level my future me should step in. (As I don't learn piano with a method book, nor a teacher, I have no idea what a RCM-level or a ABRSM-grade typically is.)

          Meanwhile... whoo hoo!

          Another book for the growing "someday" stack 😃 Of course I can't put it on the backburner unless I have at least broken it in a little first 😆 To the ones who have the book, is there any piece you would recommend to start with?
          Pallas, would you say any of them would be sight readable at our level just yet?

            Btw, knows anyone good sources for printable material? pdf for instance?

            I own a printer and a machine that is able to do bindings like this:

            And I prefer ring-binding over paperback or a hardcover, hands down.

            And with a trick I can even make books that allows to open 3 (or 4 if needed) pages at once. For longer scores, this is amazing. Just watch my St. Louis Blues Video, and you see 3 pages connected by 2 spirals. But it is one single book!

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            @"MRC »#p6676
            QUOTE «  The most important thing about sight-reading is not to see how many notes you get right, it's to see how quickly you can understand what the music is about.

            Think of learning to read a language. You first learn to understand and speak your language. Before you start learning to read, you are already fluent in speaking: you can take part in conversation, listen to stories, tell stories, recite poems... When you begin learning to read, at first you're stumbling over individual letters. You get used to combinations of these letters making up words which you already know. Then you string these words together and get to the stage where you can read a whole sentence and grasp what it means. When you've got this far, you start reading stories, and if you take delight in discovering new stories, you read more and more and become a fluent reader. » END QUOTE

            THIS !!!

            I learned how to read music at the same time I learned how to read (a, b, c …). As a result, sight reading is very much second nature to me and I will forever be grateful to my parents for my childhood piano lessons even though my dad was just beginning his career at the time with a new house, wife and kids so finances were really tight and $5 a week for lessons weighed heavily on the family budget.

            I would just have two comments to add to many of the points already raised in this thread.

            First I feel the point made by MRC is spot on with the analogy to language. If I paraphrase further his writing to the music world, at first one is reading individual notes and this turns into recognizing chords (let’s see a D, then an F# and an A …. hey that’s D major on fundamental - without even having to stop and analyze it). The cognitive pattern recognition later evolves to a higher level where one now pretty well automatically sees a series of chord related notes (whether together or in sequence one after the other - arpeggiated) and then to a chord progression structure (think sentences in grammar). So, by now in one glimpse you acquire the ability to have a pretty good idea of a few bars of music at a time. At this point, you only need to focus on the irregularities i.e. notes that stick out like a sore thumb in the otherwise regular chord pattern. For example, if an F Maj 7 also has a G written in there, your concentration is on that one irregularity as the rest is already known territory.
            So there is a big difference on having your attention drawn to a whole bunch of discrete notes as opposed to only focusing on the irregularities. Knowing your scales and chords on the tip of your fingers is obviously pretty well required at this stage. At least that is how it works for me.

            My second point is that I wonder if people have realistic expectations as to what constitutes the definition of sight reading. There are obviously many levels to this skillset. I get the sense that for many wanting to take any piece of written music score and sight reading it right away with perfect rendition at the keyboard is a little bit like the proverbial pie in the sky (sorry to burst your bubble). I would suggest that this would depend on the difficulty level of the score with respect to your current level of playing and reading skills. If the score is below your level, even if only a little bit, then you would likely be quite successful (but not necessarily perfect depending) and in any case it would only take just a few passes at most to have the piece under your fingers. (you may need to figure out best fingering to use in some passages for instance, or maybe there are some large jumps you need to tame, etc).

            Thanks Pallas and everyone else for the very useful information! I have been a lifelong avid reader of both fiction and nonfiction, so I'm quite happy to add music reading to that skillset... gradually 🙂

            I'm using a couple of books in addition to the easiest repertoire I can find for sight reading: Paul Harris's "Improve Your Sight-Reading!" and Keith Snell/Diane Hidy's "Sight Reading" (Kjos).

              Nowadays I'm going through easy pieces by various well known composers through imslp. I figure it would double as musical education.

              Pallas Yep, go in chronological order and you start to see how the music evolved over the years too.

              Sophia To the ones who have the book, is there any piece you would recommend to start with?

              Hey Sophia I went through the book today looking for the easiest pieces. I did this after I read @WieWaldi 's post about looking at notes on the page and thinking about where the key is, and I'm afraid I may have given you a bum steer about "Easy Classics to Moderns" containing sight reading pieces for beginners.

              WieWaldi, Sophia, Pallas, Nightowl, and others who are posting recordings: Your playing sounds really good and I am grateful that you are sharing recordings. I love listening to you play! You all play so well that I forget about what you may be going through with reading music. Thank you WieWaldi for reminding me and in no way do I mean to disparage anything you're doing! You are all amazing and I'm so glad you are here!

              Anyway, I identified what I think are the three easiest pieces in "Easy Classics to Moderns" vol. 17:

              Dmitri Kabalevsky: Chit-Chat, p. 138: I believe this is the easiest piece in the book. Only one hand plays at a time.

              Dmitry Kabalevsky: First Dance, p. 136: This is probably much harder than Chit-Chat. If you work out the chords in the LH before playing it may be doable.

              Jean Philippe Rameau: Rondino, p. 34: Played slowly this might be approachable. Watch out for the polyphony in the left hand in the second measure of the fourth line, or maybe just skip the last note in the left hand in that measure.

              I suspect that "Chit-Chat" is the only piece that's even close to being sight readable. That's not a lot of sight reading material for a 160 page book!

              I'm past being a beginner but when I was working my way through "Easy Classics to Moderns" I struggled with many of the pieces. It's amazing what the editors of these books call "Easy"!

                I second that! Really really grateful for all the help and encouragement. I'm learning a lot as well! Most of all patience 😃

                rogerch It's amazing what the editors of these books call "Easy"!

                This! 😆👍

                And this is the reason Christian Fuchs had named the first 16 Blues lessons "for Beginners", and after this he named it "Easy". For beginners (bloody, total, early, or real beginners, you name it), "easy" is really hard.

                Btw, thanks to @plop_symphony I found a series of books for a reasonable price. (also available at amazon.bavaria)
                Improve Your Sight-Reading! Piano Grades 0, 1/2 , 1-8 from Paul Harris, Faber publishing.
                And it is available as paperback and kindle versions.

                Updated this list: WieWaldi

                  About grades and difficulties:
                  I ordered Improve Your Sight-Reading! Piano Grade 1 as eBook and immediately returned it.
                  Treble and bass clef were used alternating, but never for both hands together. Very similiar setup as the following video:

                  IMO, Grade 2 is the lowest worth getting. If you are a true bloody beginner, and if even one hand is challenging enough, you can play both hands separately after each other. The learning effect should not be that different.

                  Maybe this is helpful for choosing the lowest grade, if your sight-reading is at my level.

                  For me sight-reading is relatively important. I have been playing piano for about 12 years and continuously work on it. In terms of my sight-reading or playing progress, I do not notice any difference from week-to-week or even month-to-month, but when I compare what and how I played a year ago versus today, then I do notice a difference. In general, my progress over the years was sort of steady, there was not a large jump or so.

                  Besides keyboard playing, when I learn a new piece on my bass guitar, I also make it a point to learn from the actual written bass notes, not the fret numbers on the bass tab.

                  One iPad app that helps me is "Note Trainer". This app has various options, I typically select random notes in the C2-C6 range in random keys and with accidentals. I do like 320 notes per day, 10 sessions at 32 notes each. Below is how that app looks like. I use the app in conjunction with a Bluetooth MIDI transmitter plugged into my keyboard.

                  I realize this is not really sight-reading, because these random notes are not in any context. But still, those exercises have helped me address my following weaknesses:

                  a) Recognize from the sheet music which note it is
                  b) Find that note on the keyboard
                  c) Remember the key in which the song is played
                  d) Recognize accidentals
                  e) And do a) through d) fast enough so that it does not hold back my playing.

                  All the best,
                  MandM

                  WieWaldi There is also a series of complementary books - Improve Your Sight-Reading! A Piece a Week, by the same author (Paul Harris). The books are also graded from Grade 1 to Grade 8, and available for Kindle and as print books. I think they are a great addition to the original learning series.