MRC Dorico SE is also free
I tried giving it a go, but couldn't believe the amount of components it loaded onto my laptop (which freaked me out due to having limited HD and RAM) . Not joking, there were about seven different 'app' components I had to uninstall thinking why is this mountain of stuff necessary???
Sydney Australia
Retired part-time piano technician
I use MuseScore on the PC. It's much better like that, because you can put in the notes through the normal keyboard. Type a "c", you get the note C, and so on. You can put in all kinds of chords with ctrl-k, they will also be played back correctly. It's really quite good. Every now and then I have to check the manual.
Just tried MuseScore 4. I watched a 30 minute tutorial video on YouTube, then tried to recreate the score of the short piece I’ve been practicing from memory. It turned out to be a good exercise. And the software is not difficult to learn.
I am a big fan and user of MuseScore and have been using it for years. I may be an outlier here, but I actually did not find it difficult to learn how to use it and also find it relatively intuitive. Perhaps because I was using Finale before switching over and had had a learning curve there (?).
I only use it specifically for piano music notation and can write out scores much faster using the software than doing it by hand on manuscript paper (and of course the finished score looks a lot cleaner and even). I am now using version 3 (I started out with ver. 1 and upgraded as new versions came out). However I do not have the intention of upgrading to the new version 4 at any time soon. The latter is a huge leap in capabilities as MuseScore basically went from a music notation software to a music production software, which is something I have no interest in (it includes a virtual mixing console, several built-in sound libraries, etc.)
As a long time Musescore user, I've learned a few shortcuts to inputting notes than having to switch back & forth between selecting a note type, input the note, select a note type, input a note, etc. It's ok if you have a short piece but for longer pieces you can change the Input Mode to "Rhythm". Use numbers 1-7 to enter the notes as beats. All the notes would come out as B (including the rests). After that you select each note that is supposed to be a rest individually and [Ctrl][X] to delete the note. A rest with the same beat value would appear.
Next I'd plug in the MIDI keyboard. Change the Input Mode to [Repitch]. Starting from the first note play through the piece at a moderate pace and the correct notes would replace the Bs. If you don't have a MIDI keyboard you can go to [View] and activate the Piano Keyboard. Some people find that it's faster to enter notes using the pointer to select keys on the onscreen keyboard than entering each note with letters of the alphabet.
I bought Finale back in 2009 and never updated it because it does everything I need it to do. A friend of mine suggested Sibelius 6, around the same time, so I bought that as well. I like them both, although each is sometimes picky about the layout, measure spacing, but I've made templates, so no big deal.
I've also "written" scores in Sonar (formerly Cakewalk) just by bringing up the staff view and either playing notes, or entering them with mouse/keyboard. It's also easy to print or save as a pdf.
And finally, I have Musescore 3 and it works fine, especially for free. But Mainly I use Finale just because I'm comfortable with it.
PianoMonk I own Sibelius. I purchased it many years ago. Frankly, I find it faster to write out my compositions by hand. What I am hoping for is that music notation software evolves to the point where you can perform your piece via midi input audit will perfectly quantize and write what you have played. In this age of artificial intelligence, it should be easy to accomplish.
Without music, no life!
MusicMe What I am hoping for is that music notation software evolves to the point where you can perform your piece via midi input audit will perfectly quantize and write what you have played.
MuseScore 4 can open midi file and turn it into the score. But the score is a mess. Either it can’t seem to be able to detect time signature and tempo, or there is some feature I have not learned.
Reaper has ability to quantize. There is also plugin or extension to do auto tempo mapping, I think?
iternabe I did have some success turning some PDFs that show notes clearly to a MuseScore file that can be edited using the MuseScore online converter. Some editing is required afterwards.
Turning a MIDI input into notations is tricky because we don't play perfectly in a mechanical way. First we need to have the metronome on the source that is generating the MIDI file so that the notation program would use each tick for a beat and assign a quarter note accordingly. Otherwise the notation program is not smart enough to know if a beat is at 60 or 80 BPM sort of thing. Suppose we're using Pianoteq with a DP to generate the MIDI file, the metronome in Pianoteq needs to be on. And the person doing the input would have to play in a very mechanical way to align the notes with the beats precisely with no rubato, ritard, fermata, etc.
+1 for Dorico SE (free) — I use it on both Windows and iPad, no problem moving projects between the two, no problem with either platform working offline (e.g. on a plane). I sometimes struggle to figure out how to do something but always figure it out in the end :-) If you’re doing multi-instrument scores or certain other more sophisticated notation you may find SE limiting and need to move to Pro; I mostly author for piano with one staff (lead sheets) or occasionally two, works great!
iternabe MuseScore 4 can open midi file and turn it into the score. But the score is a mess. Either it can’t seem to be able to detect time signature and tempo, or there is some feature I have not learned.
When I listen back to a piece I have played in Pianoteq, using its midi file, it sounds exactly like I played it. But when I open that same midi file in MuseScore, it sounds very differently.
I hope that someday someone creates a score app that is compatible with Pianoteq - so it shows the exact notes that I played.
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thepianoplayer416 Turning a MIDI input into notations is tricky because we don't play perfectly in a mechanical way. First we need to have the metronome on the source that is generating the MIDI file so that the notation program would use each tick for a beat and assign a quarter note accordingly. Otherwise the notation program is not smart enough to know if a beat is at 60 or 80 BPM sort of thing. Suppose we're using Pianoteq with a DP to generate the MIDI file, the metronome in Pianoteq needs to be on. And the person doing the input would have to play in a very mechanical way to align the notes with the beats precisely with no rubato, ritard, fermata, etc.
This.
I don’t see a software coming anytime soon that’s able to handle the complex notation of our playing. Perhaps if you’re playing something very simple and with very strict timing and note values. But, when playing something complex, it just won’t work.
As you said, we don’t play metronomically, and the notation software is functioning by very strict rules. Notation itself is about very strict rules, concerning very specific mathematical note values and fractions of notes values, etc., but, unless that’s the goal of the piece, a human simply can’t play it that way.
The software would be expecting that because, it too, is functioning by the rules of mathematical rules of notation, which we ourselves don’t truly play in.
I suppose you could notate something super complex, but you’d have to play it at a very slow tempo and be exceedingly precise, and even then you’ll have to fix things.
Unless the software can essentially achieve synchronization with our consciousness, our internal “clock” and rhythm, etc, I don’t think it’s possible, and won’t be, even with AI, for a long while.
Unless…maybe you tap the rhythm out with your foot that isn’t on the pedal. That might be a way to synchronize the system to your rhythm. But, even then, I think we may be a ways off from that.
Scores downloaded from the MuseScore Library often have mistakes. People enter the notes in various ways including letters of the alphabet A..G, pointer or a MIDI keyboard. As accurate as people can be, they often don't hear all the msitakes. If you're re-notating pieces from a computer copy into MuseScore, there is a chance some of the notes would be wrong unless you check with the original carefully.
I have used StaffPad (on iPad) for a couple of years. You have to get used to entering notes and other elements in a certain way in order for the handwriting to be recognized. It's marketed as a composing tool rather than a notation program, but the results are serviceable for piano.
thepianoplayer416 To reinforce this, I have given up altogether on the MuseScore Library a while back as it is too unreliable. Anybody and everybody puts up scores and you end up with only a few good ones in a sea of mediocrity. (at least that has been my own experience - I only look for advanced level pieces)
I have seen all kinds, believe me, such as some that were obviously not written by pianists (even though a piano piece to begin with) or with only very limited knowledge of music, some others I qualify as being blatantly done by automatic music « transcription » software with absolutely NO proofing afterwards (what a mess!), and so on. In one particular case, I tried to start correcting all the inaccuracies in a score myself but the process was so time consuming and frustrating that I instead ended up throwing it away, and starting from scratch by doing all the work myself, and the progress was much faster. One is never better served than by oneself they say.
(Disclaimer - Perhaps things are a little brighter for music at the beginner or early intermediate level, but I do not know as I have not looked for such).
kanadajin Disclaimer - Perhaps things are a little brighter for music at the beginner or early intermediate level, but I do not know as I have not looked for such).
No. Most of the easy stuff is so easy and uninteresting it becomes boring quite quickly. Then the so called intermediate stuff othen has bits that are too challenging for the early intermediate player that they just bog down on the piece, eventually loosing interest.
That's why I think it's very important for people to recognise the score is not something cast in stone and they should feel free to adjust it to suit their ability, own ideas etc. Just view the score as no more than an expanded lead sheet, and utilise ideas from it if they work for you. Add your own if they don't. Obviously this is popular music.
Sydney Australia
Retired part-time piano technician
kanadajin
Sometimes you're trying to find a version of music online and the only thing available is in the MuseScore Library so just have to fix the mistakes yourself.
Don't think a lot of people who use MS to input pieces play through them to find mistakes. The last piece I practiced was in the computer using MS a while ago and had mistakes. I played through it and corrected the mistakes, added some finger #.
The main notation apps are:
Others exist, including Notion, StaffPad, GuitarPro etc, but the four above are the main players.
At Tunescribers we use all of the main notation apps every day, and they have their pros and cons. The one that's right for you is a balance of your needs, your budget and - this is something a lot of people don't think enough about - who you are sending your sheet music to. If your collaborators all use Finale, you should probably get on board the Finale train!
