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I can go first:
Motly Crew -
Motly Club - Animisha
MOTLY -
MOTLY40 -
MOTLYchallenge -
40 Pieces of Silver -
40PAYC -
PACT XL -
40P Club -
Piano Forte -
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I can go first:
Motly Crew -
Motly Club - Animisha
MOTLY -
MOTLY40 -
MOTLYchallenge -
40 Pieces of Silver -
40PAYC -
PACT XL -
40P Club -
Piano Forte -
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Fair enough, it is clear nobody feels like voting.
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I'm pleased that so many people are interested in joining me for this challenge next year. I've been reading a few more things online about this concept and there are many differing thoughts about the criteria for what constitutes a suitable piece, because not all pieces of equal length would be of equal difficulty - e.g. 8 bars of Chopin might be considerably harder than a folk song of 16 bars. My feeling is that for someone like me, who has been playing for just over a year and plays for a minimum of 1 hour a day, the pieces chosen would ideally be 16 measures in length, as a minimum. Many pop/folk songs use 16 measures, which are then repeated, and there are plenty of short waltzes/etudes of similar or slightly longer length which would be good for this challenge.
Looking back at Alfred's AIO book 1, most of the early exercises were simple folk songs or excerpts of classical pieces, just 8 measures long. So, out of the 64 pieces in the book, around 45 would fit my criteria for the challenge. Book 2 contains more complex pieces, so those might not fit my personal criteria, but could be ideal for someone who has been playing for 2 or 3 years. Everyone can tailor the challenge to fit their own needs/preferences.
There are many different ways that people track their progress; some people like to keep things simple, while others might want to record the minutiae of their progress. I'm in the "keep things simple" camp, but if there is appetite for having a thread which contains various online tools to upload all manner of data, that will need to be set up by someone who has a lot more tech knowledge than me - calling all geeks, you know who you are!
I'm not too bothered about choosing a thread title, but if people aren't keen on the word "Challenge" (as it screams "competitive" to some folk) how about "40 Pieces 4 Piano Proficiency (40P4PP)"?
"Don't let's ask for the moon, we have the stars." (Final line from Now,Voyager, 1942)
It's definitely doable. I've done it this year. @lilypad, too, shooting to get a speeding ticket LOL. @Sophia must have done it, too, after recording the Thompson pieces.
But I hesitate to make it a goal. It was more like a by-product for me this year, an enjoyable surprise. Now I am back following my method book, I am letting my progress dictate my study pace again.
iternabe But I hesitate to make it a goal. It was more like a by-product for me this year, an enjoyable surprise. Now I am back following my method book, I am letting my progress dictate my study pace again.
Yes, that's exactly it... This year was hardly the norm of course. The first few months I spent just catching up with the things I already knew/learned in the past (hence the spontaneous Thompson recording which actually even surprised me how quickly that went). I also went through two and (almost) a half Alfred books... and the blues course went pretty smoothly at first. I qualified for several speeding tickets
Now that the piano is becoming more of a challenge (in a good way!), that also means I just can't make that kind of commitment just yet. This is definitely entering completely new territory for me. I'm enjoying polishing pieces a lot more now that they are starting to sound like music, and it's easier to skip pieces I don't like. Which doesn't count for the challenge
As for the name, my "suggestions" were firmly tongue in cheek, but any variation of 40P sounds great to me
WieWaldi ha... my feelings as well. I think I've averaged less than 1 hour daily practice. Not much. It is also not well structured. I will only have 1 method book finished this year. And my pieces were not as polished as the records I see/hear in this forum. A bit sad but I still count it as success. I did not give up.
I considered this challenge. But it would be too much for me. I don't think I can spare more time next year. And my method book pieces takes at least a week now.
WieWaldi WieWie that can't be right - what about all those blues lessons you completed, and the videos you posted? Surely each one of those blues lessons contains enough material to regard the finished play through as being one "piece" (sometimes more than one) for the purpose of this challenge? I feel you have underestimated your achievements this year.
I have not finished Alfred's book 2 yet, but some of the pieces in the second half are are such a stretch for me that they could take many hours for me to play reasonably well, so they will be works in progress, as and when I want to tackle them. I'm hoping that by playing a variety of easier pieces my sight reading and dexterity will improve, and I can just enjoy playing, rather than constantly forcing myself to push through difficult pieces which can feel like hard work. I'm looking for easy wins to keep things enjoyable, between working on stretch pieces.
"Don't let's ask for the moon, we have the stars." (Final line from Now,Voyager, 1942)
hebele Well, the Downton Abbey recital piece you uploaded was very nicely played, so I think you're making great progress. As for method books, lots of beginners take a year to get through book 1 - that's a pretty normal rate of progress. I got through Alfred's book 1 in around 5 months, but that's only because I was practising 2 -3 hours a day back then, which is more than many beginners. Also, I skipped a handful of pieces and did not polish every piece I played.
If you feel that 40 pieces is too high a target to aim for, how about opting to play 25 pieces instead? One piece every 2 weeks is probably manageable if you average 1 hour a day, either something from your method book or from one of the many books of easy pieces that are available.
@Pallas I'm experiencing the same thing, now I'm working on pieces that are between grades 1 and 2, they take a lot more time and effort to play well. That's why I'm not likely to be using book 2 pieces for this challenge - they will be tackled as and when I can face them.
"Don't let's ask for the moon, we have the stars." (Final line from Now,Voyager, 1942)
I already notice a benefit of my quick study!
In my regular pieces, when there are many chords, the one thing that takes me a long time to practise is to play the transitions legato. It would be so much easier non-legato! For instance, this one in G major (treble clef):
As a beginner, I played all chord transitions non-legato. But now, spending some time with a very easy piece, I make myself play interval and chord transitions legato (if suitable). I just need to focus a tiny bit more, and it feels very beneficial.
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WieWaldi The rest were only exercises - and indeed they helped me to learn the pieces a bit faster.
Indeed, those exercises/lessons resulted in you creating/playing lovely pieces of music, which you then shared with us. The fact that they were lesson pieces and contained some improvisation does not make them any less worthy of being deemed pieces. I rest my case.
Animisha Anything quick that has benefits is a plus, when it comes to playing piano. Do you think that using the Synthesia app has also helped?
"Don't let's ask for the moon, we have the stars." (Final line from Now,Voyager, 1942)
Pallas I think in 2025, I will be lucky to get 2/month.
You may be surprised. Especially if you work on more than one piece at a time.
I have a "40 piece" tab in my spreadsheet practice diary more as a record of pieces I've completed than a goal. I generally have 4 pieces at various stages:
1) Lesson book
2) RCM repertoire or etude piece
3) Non-classical piece of my choice
4) Quick study to improve my reading
The list starts off at a snails pace, but by the the end of the year, they've accumulated and I'm always amazed.
As far as learning time, I'd say 3 weeks feels like my average, although one piece took me a whopping 4 months and occasionally I'll get lucky with a quick study and get it a single sitting instead of a more typical few days to 2 weeks,
I just checked to see how many pieces I did this year and actually it was my best year so far... 80 pieces.
OK, 45 of those were Czerny etudes but even if I disregard those that still makes 35 pieces. I could have easily reached 40 if I focused on that more.
I'm not saying this to discourage anyone but just to point out that it's completely untrue that the more advanced you are the fewer pieces you can do. It's very easy for someone advanced to pick easy pieces; so easy that it's no problem at all to learn them in a few days. If you think you can't do it because your pieces are getting more difficult just pick easier pieces.
BartK I'm not saying this to discourage anyone but just to point out that it's completely untrue that the more advanced you are the fewer pieces you can do. It's very easy for someone advanced to pick easy pieces; so easy that it's no problem at all to learn them in a few days. If you think you can't do it because your pieces are getting more difficult just pick easier pieces.
Also, from what I've seen on piano exam syllabus lists, smaller sections, such as movements of sonatas or other lengthy more advanced pieces are treated as stand-alone pieces.
Not with the quick studies! At the beginners' level, it is rare to encounter more complicated harmonies, so it is very easy to hear if you make a mistake. It is when chords are called Csus2\G (C suspended second inverted on G) that I cannot hear it any more.
PS I have no idea what C suspended second inverted on G even means, and I am not very eager to find out.
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Pallas I think I'm feeling discouraged at how long it's taking me to do my lesson pieces,
Donβt feel discouraged! Pieces that are at the edges of our playing ability of course take more time, but by working on them, we push those edges out.
but I don't want to do easier ones because these are beautiful and motivating
Which is a good reason to keep playing pieces like that!