YouTube copyrighted music? (slightly OT)

ShiroKuro · 2024-11-15T02:44:17+00:00

When I uploaded my recital recording to YouTube, the "copyright checker" (whatever it's called) identified my recording (correctly) right away! (And it used...

TC3

I get the same thing once in a while, usually with rock / pop tunes. I have no idea about ads or revenues. Mainly, I think it's just them telling you "Hey, as long as you don't try to monetize this, we won't send our lawyers after you ... " 😃

Animisha

It happens to me a lot, and almost always I contest the copyright claim. Many times the copyright checker identifies my playing as a true concert pianist's who has recorded the piece I play, very flattering!
It is much more irritating when facebook simply mutes my videos and gives me no chance to contest their decision.

ShiroKuro I wouldn't know if your video comes with ads, because some add-on I have blocks all YT ads. 😊

ShiroKuro

Animisha almost always I contest the copyright claim

I didn’t see a way to contest it. Of course, it wasn’t telling me I couldn’t upload the video, just that the content was copyrighted and the owner allows sharing.

From what I googled, it does appear to be connected to ads, any money generated is supposed to go to the copyright owner.

The interesting thing about that is, unlike a lot of contemporary pieces I play (e.g., Einaudi, Ffrench, Hisaishi) music by Takashi Kako, this composer, is harder to find online, and there are fewer recordings of other people playing him.

If you search for pieces by those guys (Einaudi, Ffrench, Hisaishi) you will find tons of amateur recordings.

I always though it was because Kako’s music was less well known (and he has fewer books than the others, and I think he’s really know known outside of Japan). But maybe it also is because he tries to keep a tighter leash on his compositions… But I have to think that, if nothing else, that’s hurting him rather than helping, when I look at how popular those other composers are. Or maybe the reverse, the other guys are so popular that they don’t need to impose so many restrictions?

Just thinking out loud here...

Imagine if the big classical composers were alive now (Bach, Beethoven, Mozart, Chopin, Liszt). I bet they each would have very different approaches …. For starters, Liszt would definitely be a Tik Tok influencer. 😆

Player1

ShiroKuro

I always make sure to attribute to the composer in the title. I never seem to get the copyright issue.

Animisha

ShiroKuro ut maybe it also is because he tries to keep a tighter leash on his compositions…

I am not sure it is his decision, but rather of the record company (are they still called record companies???) that has published his music.

ShiroKuro I didn’t see a way to contest it.

My memory is uncertain, but maybe they don't let you contest when you are allowed to share the content online.

ShiroKuro

Player1 I always make sure to attribute to the composer in the title.

Ahh, interesting. Remind me, are you playing/uploading music by contemporary composers?

I never seem to get the copyright issue.

Somehow I don't think having the composer in the title would change the message I saw. And again, it wasn't telling me I couldn't upload it.

Player1

ShiroKuro Ahh, interesting. Remind me, are you playing/uploading music by contemporary composers?

Yes. I have several pieces by contemporary composers uploaded on my channel. My current recital piece is from a contemporary composer (Jay Ungar) and I have other pieces from Angeline Bell and Andrea Dow uploaded as well.

The issue arises when you don't give the attribution. Without it the algo is set to challenge the upload because it might be an attempt to pass the upload off as an "original work" when it is not. When you name the composer in the title this issue is bypassed.

ShiroKuro

Player1 The issue arises when you don't give the attribution.

Hmm, that's interesting because I have the title of the piece in the title of the video, and the title and composer in the description, given how searchable everything is and the fact that descriptions are part of what gets searched, you'd think that counts as attribution...

thepianoplayer416

A piece of music that is less than 100 years old is probably going to get a copyright warning. Some of the original composers / songwriters might still be alive. Even Classical pieces can generate a warning. Sometime ago I posted a Handel piece. It's more than 200 years old but someone posted a more recent soundtrack that sounded similar. I wasn't aware of the more recent recording so there was a copyright warning.

Soundcloud also has copyright policies based on different criteria. Sometime ago I uploaded a Beethoven Sonatina to Soundcloud (over 100 yrs). The recording was flagged as copyright here but not on YouTube.

Player1

ShiroKuro

Maybe the algo just doesn't like Kanji?

Animisha

ShiroKuro Player1 The issue arises when you don't give the attribution.

Hmm, that's interesting because I have the title of the piece in the title of the video, and the title and composer in the description, given how searchable everything is and the fact that descriptions are part of what gets searched, you'd think that counts as attribution...

This is not my experience, and neither was it pseudonym58's and ShiroKuro's experience. I always have the name of the composer and the title of the piece in the title of the video, but I get quite a lot of copyright claims. Even when I play pieces composed in the 18th or 19th century! So far, every copyright claim I have contested was granted.

But I think, Player1, you have just been lucky. 🙂

ShiroKuro

I didn't write it in kanji. It's a mystery!
😃

pseudonym58

I uploaded my arrangements for cello quartet of the 3 Preludes by Gershwin. Oddly, just one of them tripped the copyright wire, and they are (all) in the public domain:

thepianoplayer416

The new frontier of music creation: content generated by AI:

Bellyman

The whole copyright thing is a mess. Have known of really good musicians who have quit playing because of getting caught up in it.

YouTube, Facebook, and similar sites take musical performances to an unknown and potentially very large audience. Local performances can be a lot more relaxed but there are still things that can happen to drop the ol' fecal remnant in the punch bowl.

Pathbreaker

ShiroKuro
My recent upload is also marked as copyright but that I'm free to share it. It's the second time I uploaded a piece from this composer and both times it was marked copyright. When I looked a little deeper, it seems that the copyright was for a performer of the work and not actually related to the composer, at least if I was reading it correctly. In this case, the composer died in the 1980s, and so I'm aware that the music score is not in the public domain. Either way, I'm not concerned about it as long as I can still put it out there.

thepianoplayer416

Pathbreaker For performance is ok as long as you're not making money off your video.

If someone recorded a soundtrack more recently that sounded like a Mozart or Betthoven piece, you still get a warning. Not because you're violating the copyright of a dead composer, but you produced something very similar to the work of a living musician.