Adult Beginners--re-name?

Stub · 2024-05-29T18:54:46+00:00

A topic that kept coming up on PW was the name "Adult Beginners" for the sub-forum. Some found it confusing, or imprecise, but it had been around for a long...

Josephine

I wrote a few times in the pianist corner, nobody sent me away. But I like a piano party, can I have a mojito instead of beer?

Pallas

Josephine I love mohitos way better than beer! clink

Pallas

Sophia Yeah, I tiptoed out unnecessarily, and yeah, feels great here.

I like the idea of a more inclusive set of titles:
BEGINNERS LOUNGE
and
PIANO PLAYERS
with the existing descriptions, because I thank they're good.

Pallas

Stub I think this is a great question. Thanks for starting the conversation!

Stub

Stub "Beginner-Intermediate Talk" would be short and descriptive.

I'm going to suggest this again. I think the suggestion that "Adult" is superfluous is good. "Beginners" "Intermediates" and "Advanced" is perhaps too many categories. I tend to prefer more mixing than not. "Beginner-Intermediate Talk" and "Pianist Zone" seem about right to me.

But I have no objection to keeping it as it is now. People will figure it out.

WieWaldi

Stub ...there are a lot of Beginners who are not beginners anymore. Some true beginners have hinted at feeling a little uncomfortable about non-beginners on the forum...

I was one of them and also questioned this in PW. But now I am very happy with "Adult Beginners", if I would change something, I would leave "Adult" away. I dont want to exclude younger people.

But back to the feeling, the real newbies can have about very experienced people here (I had):
It is good to have all the experience here, so beginners get profounded answers to their questions. Next thing, it is still named something with beginners, so it gives no room for offensive replys, telling anybody that a question or an opinion is stupid.
And just think about the recitals, if there were no experienced people here, the submits would be close to zero.

Anyway, I got used to ABF and I would just leave it as it is.

SouthPark

Maybe an Adults Only forum could be added.
kidding only of course

WieWaldi

SouthPark Maybe an Adults Only forum could be added.

We both know, there are better places in the internet for adult content.

WieWaldi

If would change a name, I would change the Pianist Corner/Zone into Classical Pianist. And have a Non-Classical forum.

Sophia

WieWaldi I would change the Pianist Corner/Zone into Classical Pianist. And have a Non-Classical forum.

Actually I really really like the idea of not having that distinction. There you go, I just had to be different ^_^ But seriously though, I never could stand the endless discussions about what exactly is classical and what is not. Especially when some would climb on a very high horse about how much more superior classical is. I very much like the description of the current forum sections.

But I also agree that the term "Adult" is probably not needed. I love Pallas' idea of "Beginners Lounge". Or what about "Learners Lounge"? Personally I like "Pianist Zone" just the way it is because that would cover discussions about composers etc as well.

I pity @navindra - do you regret setting up this forum yet? 😼

rsl12

WieWaldi We both know, there are better places in the internet for adult content.

Well, I'll start going to the gym if that's what's needed

Pallas

Sophia I like Learner's Lounge (LL) and Piano Zone (PZ). Great ideas.

WieWaldi

Sophia Actually I really really like the idea of not having that distinction

Good point. Maybe it is really better to not to have this distinction. The non-classical forum was really not visited that frequently.

Pallas I like Learner's Lounge (LL) and Piano Zone (PZ). Great ideas.

No. I insist in keeping the word Beginner. It just seperates us from the elite players, because even those pros are constantly learning. (A new piece, or suite, or whatever.)
For us beginners it is okay to play a song in an easy beginner arrangement, shortened, then simplified, and to make it more uncomplicated leaving a few notes away. The word beginner just removes any stress or expectations from our playing level.

navindra

Sophia Not at all! 🙂

Learner's Lounge or Learners Lounge, I like it!

ShiroKuro Yes, I'm most certainly open to suggestions and improvements! Love all the ideas. 🙂

Let's try something and see what people think.

Edit: I changed it. What do folks think? I have to admit, the "Adult Beginners" name basically became a recognizable brand for me. "Learners Lounge" still feels unfamiliar and doesn't grab me like "Adult Beginners" did... but I think it will grow on me!

iternabe

Pallas I like Learner's Lounge (LL) and Piano Zone (PZ). Great ideas.

I like this, too. Learner and Pianist are not exclusive to each other. But the naming would distinguish between topics seeking help to improve (at any level) and discussion of artistry among peers.

Pallas

WieWaldi For us beginners it is okay to play a song in an easy beginner arrangement, shortened, then simplified, and to make it more uncomplicated leaving a few notes away. The word beginner just removes any stress or expectations from our playing level.

Great point!

keystring

My impression has always been that the ABF was the Learner forum. A learner can be at any level. But the focus seemed to be on the learning. Someone wrote that even advanced musicians / professionals never stop learning. But I think in the Learner section, we're going into the how-to's, and the focus of the conversation itself is learning. I have never had that impression in the Pianist corner.

JohnCW

I think a forum segment called "Adult Beginners" should be pretty much strictly that, a section for 'beginners'. It was my impression the majority of posts in the PW forum of that name were anything but that, and should have been in the 'grown up' sections of Classical, Non Classical segment.

Alternatively have another more appropriate segment called 'Adult Intermediate' to discuss how to play more advanced pieces, public performances, etc. Stuff that is not 'beginner' level.

BartK

JohnCW I think a forum segment called "Adult Beginners" should be pretty much strictly that, a section for 'beginners'. It was my impression the majority of posts in the PW forum of that name were anything but that, and should have been in the 'grown up' sections of Classical, Non Classical segment.

The problem with that is that beginners who stick around don't stay beginners very long. Are you going to tell them to leave the forum when they graduate to intermediates? That isn't exactly friendly. I much prefer the tradition of having dedicated discussions where the true beginners hang out, like the Alfred's discussion.

twocats

BartK The problem with that is that beginners who stick around don't stay beginners very long. Are you going to tell them to leave the forum when they graduate to intermediates?

At least have the name reflect that then? "Beginner & Intermediate Players" or something like that?

JohnCW

BartK The problem with that is that beginners who stick around don't stay beginners very long. Are you going to tell them to leave the forum when they graduate to intermediates?

'Beginners' don't take very long to become 'intermediate' level players?????. We clearly have a different standard of what constitutes an intermediate' level player.
Someone who is truly an intermediate level player shouldn't need to be told to "go", they should naturally want to gravitate to a more advanced intermediate level forum. Yes, they can stick around offering advice to the questions STARTED by beginners, but that's where it should end. Otherwise don't call it an Adult Beginner forum, because the one on PW is most certainly not that by any stretch.

Stub

BartK JohnCW I think a forum segment called "Adult Beginners" should be pretty much strictly that, a section for 'beginners'. It was my impression the majority of posts in the PW forum of that name were anything but that, and should have been in the 'grown up' sections of Classical, Non Classical segment.

BartK The problem with that is that beginners who stick around don't stay beginners very long. Are you going to tell them to leave the forum when they graduate to intermediates? That isn't exactly friendly. I much prefer the tradition of having dedicated discussions where the true beginners hang out, like the Alfred's discussion.

Agree.
If the subforum is restricted to true beginners (if you could even agree on what that term means) what are you going to do if you have a question? You can crowd-source it amongst your fellow true beginners, but that doesn't mean the question will get answered. As for topics making beginners feel out of their depth or embarrassed to ask a question, well, that is going to happen no matter what level you're at. If you have a true beginner question, ask it. It will serve to notify other true beginners that asking is okay. You'll get more beginner questions.

A dedicated thread makes more sense if one truly doesn't want input from those at different levels.

SouthPark

How about "Real Beginners And Beginners" ... RBnB

Or Little Tikes. Ok ... well, maybe not that. How about Toddlers Corner. Maybe not. Training Wheels? Ok ... you drive a hard bargain. Ok ... Bunny Slope.

Going full circle ... Real Beginners And Beginners.

Pallas

JohnCW

I agree.
This is why I like the idea of a beginner's forum with specific guidance on what to post there, and a Piano Players forum, which is all levels. I think it can be made clear in the forum description what the difference is, and perhaps we can help people move topics into and out of the Beginner's forum until it becomes obvious to all what goes there and what doesn't.

I would very much like a Beginner's area where the more advanced players are encouraged to help if they want, but not take over, to encourage and guide, but not stomp around dominating and insulting everybody. I think we can work together to make a great Beginner's Forum. I'm willing to help do that.

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