What do you think of this teacher's methods?

pianoloverus

I'm curious what you think of this teacher who teaches mostly young children. The students seem to love him and I think he has a unique way of explaining ideas about technique and musicianship to them.
https://www.instagram.com/lawrenceng_official/reels/
Here is a link to similar videos on youtube
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8sSeqYSv_XBP_P8prqC_Qg

keystring

I can't watch any of it. You have to be logged into something or other.

pianoloverus

keystring You may have to sign onto Instagram.

pianoloverus

Here is the link to the videos on youtube
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8sSeqYSv_XBP_P8prqC_Qg

keystring

There seem to be good things in there, and some kind of planning. A couple of things they had for the kids, I'd actually like to borrow for myself. 😃 I hope the teachers can adapt the various devices to suit the differences in different students. The little girl in the 40 minute video (2nd lesson) seems to have a supportive parent who reinforces things at home.

keystring

Did you run into any explanation for the stuffed animal toss? 😃

pianoloverus

keystring Which video is that on?

keystring

pianoloverus Which video is that on?

The "toss" happens in several of them, and you'll see a stuffed animal lurking on the piano in all or most of them. The stuffed animal is also used to bop the student for "freeze" and such. I first saw it in the 40 minute video of the little girl having her 2nd lesson.

I'm guessing that tossing is a tension release and marks the stop of topic one into topic two to refresh attention. The act of throwing an stuffed animal may also bring about whole body movement / integration. it's the opposite of sitting up straight at the piano and only wiggling your fingers so to say. Tossing something starts in the body but ends in a release in the fingers.

pianoloverus

keystring I didn't see any videos where there was any confusion about what the teacher did in terms of explaining something to the student or getting the student to do something. I do think you may be over analyzing the different techniques the teacher uses which I see as fun ways to get Get the student to do simple things.

keystring

"Teach slurs on piano in two minutes" - I didn't actually see slurs being taught: I saw release from slurs, raising the hand at the end. But this movement toward the fallboard raises the wrist and thus the hand away from the keys, and again, involves the whole body in synergy. This interests me as an adult, because so often we hear "raise the wrist" as though it were a thing in and of itself. Woronicki, in some of his videos, will show a movement that starts in the arms and causes the wrist to rise as part of the movement. What this lady is showing is very simple and straightforward, for someone beginning to learn to play, maybe setting things up.

keystring

pianoloverus I didn't see any videos where there was any confusion about what the teacher did ......

Good, because I did not use the word confusion, or refer to confusion anywhere. Maybe you can explain why you had that impression.

pianoloverus

keystring You asked about an explanation for when the teacher used a stuffed animal. So for me that meant you were unclear about why it was used. That's why I stated I didn't see any examples in the videos that I watched where I didn't understand the purpose of whatever gimmick the teacher used. Without the specific video using the stuffed animal I can't specifically comment on that.

keystring

I see. I asked if you had happened to see this part explained. It intrigued me. I also wrote an hypothesis of sorts. This does not involve confusion. It's getting into the heart of what is behind an approach. Pedagogy sort of goes like that.

pianoloverus

keystring So I guess you're saying that it wasn't unclear to you but you wanted to see if what you thought the idea was matched what the teacher's idea was?

keystring

I actually don't know if you teach, and so whether we're coming at this from the same mindset. Originally I simply asked whether you had run into an explanation for the teddy-tosses. I expected there to be an explanation, because in pedagogy we have principles, and then use devices for those principles. For example, in teaching math in primary grades, there is the principle that students are in a "concrete stage" and so we give concrete activities. If a teacher has students count apples, or red counting blocks, or hamsters - the important thing is not the hamsters, but the principle of "concrete stage".
----It might be that this is not real pedagogy, but a series of teaching routines that have been worked out (starting off from principles that haven't been explained) that all teachers are expected to follow. In that case, they would explain what they are doing, but not why they are doing it.
---- Hope this makes sense.

pianoloverus

keystring I think the teacher is using clever and interesting tricks that young children enjoy to teach technical and musical ideas.The pedagogical ideas involved are obvious in almost every video.

keystring

I agree. But in a teacher forum I'm also interested in the underlying pedagogy. I'd really love to hear the thinking behind the stuffed animal toss.

pianoloverus The pedagogical ideas involved are obvious in almost every video.

Can you cite a few pedagogical ideas? I'm interested in what you're seeing. I don't mean the actual thing being taught, but the pedagogical idea behind it. I'll wait before citing mine.

pianoloverus

keystring

keystring Can you cite a few pedagogical ideas? I'm interested in what you're seeing. I don't mean the actual thing being taught, but the pedagogical idea behind it. I'll wait before citing min

I don't see any difference between a pedagogical idea and what's being taught and see those as synonyms which is how I think most people view them. In fact the title of the youtube page for this teacher is Piano Muso Pedagogy. You seem to feel there's a difference just based on your question and some other comments you've made but I'm not really interested in dwelling on that as I don't see how it's important and just a question of semantics.

The pedagogical idea is often given in the title of the video. There was a video on slurs where the teacher put an animal on the child's hand that was supposed flip off a certain way when she moved her hand correctly at the end of the slur. There was a video of a student playing the opening of Chopin's second scherzo where the teacher had the student do push-ups on the closed fallboard and push in and out on a large teddy bear to give them the feeling of transferring more weight into the keys or keeping their fingers more firm so the chord they were playing too softly could be played louder. There was another video where the teacher used different sized teddy bears to remind the student about different dynamic levels. etc.

keystring

I still don't know if you're a teacher, a trained teacher, and so on which level (which kinds of reference points) to have this conversation. That may be why we're missing each other.

Some principles that I see and also agree with:

introduce a single concept at a time
introduce it with actions, few words, in a clear concrete manner
the teddy bears may induce a non-stiff, flexible touch
in a 40 minute lesson, switch points of focus frequently so as to maintain attention. Mark the shift through the "toss".
positive, encouraging feedback (high fives etc.), not threats, fear, or chiding
teaching reading skills from the very start, in that particular manner
shape physical habits from the very start

Those are the principles I see behind the specific things being done. I like what I see.

pianoloverus

keystring I still don't know if you're a teacher, a trained teacher, and so on which level (which kinds of reference points) to have this conversation. That may be why we're missing each other.

Some principles that I see and also agree with:
introduce a single concept at a time
introduce it with actions, few words, in a clear concrete manner
the teddy bears may induce a non-stiff, flexible touch
in a 40 minute lesson, switch points of focus frequently so as to maintain attention. Mark the shift through the "toss".
positive, encouraging feedback (high fives etc.), not threats, fear, or chiding
teaching reading skills from the very start, in that particular manner
shape physical habits from the very start

Those are the principles I see behind the specific things being done. I like what I see.

I had about 50 years experience teaching math before retiring so hopefully I know a little bit about teaching. From your examples in the above post I now can see what you meant by pedagogical principles versus some more specific skills. You were talking about very general or broad pedagogical principles while I was including more specific ideas about technique and musicianship in the category of pedagogical principles.

keystring

I liked how reading is introduced. The child is asked to count how many lines up a note is, and then recognize its location on the piano. There are no note names. I've worked with someone who teaches in a similar manner. You create a direct association between the "picture" of a notehead on line X and "that" piano key. When you finally learn the name "D", that name attaches itself to this combined picture. That is different from how it's traditionally taught, where "D" associates once to a picture, once to a piano key (one of many D's), making it a dual task.

The more I think of the plush animals, the more I like it. Early on when I had just gotten back to piano, I was corresponding with a teacher and I remarked that I'm silly in associating piano keys to marshmallows. He then wrote a 3 paragraph response on why piano keys are marshmallows. 😃 The sort feel of the plush animal may give exactly the right kind of physical response, which should never become stiffness.

The tossing back and forth is also to be done a particular way. Part of playing the piano is also a kind of tossing of the arms.

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