I get the BulletProof Musician email news letter as well, always good stuff there! But,
Pallas I actually HATE podcasts
I don’t like podcasts either! I enjoy audio books (i.e., fiction) when I’m doing something else (like cleaning), but for anything educational, I much prefer reading.
But I’ll make it a point to listen to this one, thanks for the push, @Pallas !
EDIT: The Original Post was removed. In case you are new to this thread, and bewildered, this original post discussed the interview of Noa Kageyama with Orli Shaham: https://bulletproofmusician.com/orli-shaham-on-overcoming-setbacks-and-learning-to-trust-the-process/
I love good podcasts! I only hate podcasts that start with two or three people in the studio goofing around. I get upset that they are wasting my time and I no more want to hear what they say.
But @"Pallas"#p23063 and ShiroKuro, if you don't like podcasts, why don't you read the transcript?
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I usually turn up the speed to 1.25x (or occasionally 1.5x) on videos where it's mostly talking. When people talk slowly the likelihood of my mind wandering goes up considerably. Plus, who's got the time? 
I think that "learning to trust the process" involves the phenomenon that when you work on a skill, it does not happen instantly. You do the thing; next day you do the thing; next day you do the thing and after a number of days it starts to gel. If you give up on the first day because you didn't instantly become skilled, then the gelling can't happen. You must do it long enough for it to happen, even when it is not yet happening - and that is "trust the process".
I'd add the caveat that there is also the concept of "planting cabbages in the hope that you'll get roses". You can use a poor methodology, i.e. is that process trustworthy? Well known example: start at the beginning until you get stuck; go back to the beginning up to where you get stuck; go back to the beginning .... You end up taking forever, and the piece will sound great at the beginning and get progressively worse and hesitating as you go on. So - is the process trustworthy?
That question itself is tricky, because a right process might feel wrong in the beginning. Example: If I've always played by ear half guessing the notes, working on actually reading the notes might be less "fluent" (but more correct). If I have always sat too low and close at the piano, then fixing this, I'll feel awkward at the piano, with everything become unfamiliar. That initial awkwardness may give a feeling of "wrong" --- here I must "trust the process" that over time I'll become a good reader, or I'll end up being able to move better at the piano than I did before.
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I was also thinking about "trusting the process" - before I read keystring 's response.
The words trusting the process were spoken by a pianist with many years of experience with the process.
There is also "Challenging the process", which is kind of the opposite of trusting the process.
I was struggling badly with mistakes, and trusting the process - that is, keep on practising like I do and trust that in time I won't be struggling badly with mistakes - would not have led to any solution for me, because I can now see that part of my practising was reinforcing my mistakes.
It was good for me to challenge the process, to make changes in the way that I practise.
So I think that both trusting the process and challenging the process have their rightful places.
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Animisha The words trusting the process were spoken by a pianist with many years of experience with the process.
That same pianist did not think of defining what "process" means, or how it can be taken by those reading it. The main correct idea is that when you practice -whether music, sports or dancing - it takes time for the body, mind, and senses together in synergy to form new pathways, and you must give time for that to happen. But this also assumes that the process is a good one. The main idea is this "taking of time" versus "instantness". If you try to do something brand new today, you cannot expect to be instantly there, because the thing hasn't formed yet.
The same thing can mean if you do a poorish thing over and over, then things you don't want to form, will form. It's due to the same principle.
My first piano had a badly built pedal. You had to press it almost to the floor and with a fair amount of force before it engaged, and it didn't disengage until it rode almost all the way up. The "process" of learning to play piano while using that piano had the result that I got a heavy, insensitive foot, learned to lean my body unnaturally and had a fair mess. Because I was only pedaling once per measure the problem wasn't noticed (except for aching hips). Those habits were still there when I got the new piano so there was a whole retraining (process). Initially I could pedal twice before the old habit came in. So the "process" was to do it only twice - reset etc. - stop before tiring - repeat next day - eventually have this kick in for longer. On the first day I knew what to do, but my body thought otherwise, due to all that training. I trusted that over a few days or weeks this would turn around, and eventually it did.
Where did Pallas's OP go?
This is the link that she put in her post: https://bulletproofmusician.com/orli-shaham-on-overcoming-setbacks-and-learning-to-trust-the-process/
keystring I think she did explain the process, even though in very broad terms:
"So, when I started to learn it, I remember the combination of the notes and the rhythms, and I'd never come across anything like this in my life, was too much. I could either do the notes, or I could do the rhythms, and at first I, there was just, I couldn't, the minute I tried to put rhythms in with the notes, the notes would fall off, the minute I tried to put notes in with the rhythms, the other would fall off, so, I, I was just very, very patient, I mean this expression is highly overused, but I think in this moment, it's exactly the right expression...
I Learned to trust the process, whereas before I think I had always forced the process."
keystring Those habits were still there when I got the new piano so there was a whole retraining (process). Initially I could pedal twice before the old habit came in. So the "process" was to do it only twice - reset etc. - stop before tiring - repeat next day - eventually have this kick in for longer.
This is such a lovely description of your retraining process. You had such patience!
keystring I knew what to do, but my body thought otherwise
Knowing what to do, but my fingers thinking otherwise is also a quite accurate description of the mistakes I make when learning a new piece. I have figured it out, I know what to do, but my fingers still have to learn it to do it. And I need more patience and stop hurrying and learning the mistakes.
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Animisha Where did Pallas's OP go?
She might have deleted her recent posts: https://forum.pianotell.com/u/Pallas
Or there's a bug in the forum software.
