Do you guys have any good ideas about fingering?

I would prefer to play the lowest note G with F5 and the highest note B with F1, so the jump from this B to G is not that bad. But what to do with the D and G between those two? If I play them with F3 and F2, it means that I either need to look at those keys a lot and cannot look at my score, or that I risk making mistakes when jumping.

The solution I use now is to play D with F1 and make a silent finger substitution to F5, and play G with F2.

But I wonder if any of you may have a creative and more smooth solution? I am willing to give up the idea of F5 on the low G and F1 on the high B, if that is necessary.

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    5-2-1-2-5-2-1-2...

    It is quick and easy to play the high B with 2, just rotate it over the thumb, no need to lift the hand.

      This was my first intuition, makes use of big hands (mine are average for male), but as the wrist is circling around 3 and 2, the hand stays quite relaxed.

      Edit: could play it blind after 5 minutes, going up was quite reliable, going down from B to G had a hit rate of 90%

        Sam 5-2-1-2-5-2-1-2...

        It is quick and easy to play the high B with 2, just rotate it over the thumb, no need to lift the hand.

        Wondering how you get back to low G, after pressing high B with finger 2?
        (Without lifting the hand.)

            WieWaldi This was my first intuition, makes use of big hands (mine are average for male), but as the wrist is circling around 3 and 2, the hand stays quite relaxed.

            This. You don't need big hands at all. This is a perfect example of rotating the hand using 3 as a pivot point.

              WieWaldi Wondering how you get back to low G, after pressing high B with finger 2?
              (Without lifting the hand.)

              The pedal is down and unless you can physically reach a 10th it doesn't matter anyway.

              But I would use your suggestion of 3-2-1-5 pivoting around 3.

                  BartK Pedal is one thing. The other thing is the distance the hand travels in the air. Going a 10th from thumb to pinky means, my hand moves 1 or 2 notes. This is something I can do without looking at my hand.
                  But going the same 10th from point finger to pinky, my hand moves about 4 notes, way more risk of hitting the wrong note without looking.

                      WieWaldi
                      I agree with you but I'm just saying what's the logic. It's not really that big of a jump anyway.

                        It is a big jump for the small hand I have 🙁.

                        I gave it a brief try, with the 3-2-1-5 fingering. For the 1-5 (B-G) jump, I find if I keep my finger 3 tip between the black keys (C#-D#), the black keys serves as some kind of stop that makes the jump accuracy easier to achieve without looking at all.

                        Thank you guys! I will test your solutions and tell you the result. 😊

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                        WieWaldi Pivoting on the thumb - the thumb is the anchor. No lifting required. Moving the hand laterally.

                            First of all, the winner is...

                            Animisha The solution I use now is to play D with F1 and make a silent finger substitution to F5, and play G with F2.

                            Maybe though, I won't like the finger substitution in the long run, and in that case, the runner-up is...

                            Sam 5-2-1-2-5-2-1-2...

                            The 5-3 stretch that WieWaldi suggested is not very comfortable for my hands.

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                                    Ithaca My sense is that you need to work more on your proprioception.

                                    Ithaca, thank you for your thoughtful answer. The thing is, my proprioception is, and has always been, very weak. Some days are worse than other days, but every single day I bump into things.

                                    Ithaca Animisha, I've been puzzled by the fact that you never see improvement after a decent night of sleep. Perhaps it's something to do with aging, but I'm beginning to wonder if maybe part of the problem is that you're trying to learn too much - make overly large leaps both figuratively and literally - in one go.

                                    I used to have very good memory. My friends all knew, I could recount whole conversations verbatim.
                                    Then a lot of time passed, I got a burn out, I recovered, I got my next burn out, I did not recover, and then I started to learn to play the piano. Somewhere in this process, my memory deteriorated. It is sad, but what to do. It is what it is.

                                    Ithaca 'm beginning to wonder if maybe part of the problem is that you're trying to learn too much - make overly large leaps both figuratively and literally - in one go.

                                    No. I progress so slowly that I refuse to tell anybody when I bought my piano. When I try to learn a piece that is too difficult for me (happens very rarely), I drop it, even though it is hard.

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                                          Animisha First of all, the winner is...

                                          Animisha The solution I use now is to play D with F1 and make a silent finger substitution to F5, and play G with F2.

                                          Maybe though, I won't like the finger substitution in the long run, and in that case, the runner-up is...

                                          There is no need to finger substitute when the note is held with the pedal. You can lift your hand and play 5 twice in a row.

                                              Sam Thanks, Sam, it works, too. Currently, it is a bit weird to me, to pivot around a thumb that is touching the key, but not pressing it. The pivot point feels therefore a bit detached - but I guess after doing this a few times, I could get comfortable with it. And you are right - it allows playing it blindly. 👍

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                                                  WieWaldi and it is the standard arpeggio fingering, except 4 on top so you can continue on up with 4-2-1 until you run out of keyboard. Since it doesn’t continue up, use 2 at the top.

                                                    BartK There is no need to finger substitute when the note is held with the pedal. You can lift your hand and play 5 twice in a row.

                                                    That means a slight jump, and more risks of making a mistake. F5 - F1-5 I can do blindly. 🙂

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                                                      My preference is to keep the hand in a relatively relaxed, not too stretched position, not to twist the wrist, and jump. There is no need for finger legato in this particular case, and keeping the hand relaxed and aligned gives you better control of dynamics.

                                                      Neil Stannard talks about this is his excellent book, "Piano Technique Demystified". Moving the hand is better than stretching or twisting it.